From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12502 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2023 16:07:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Aug 2023 16:07:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8523E40FB9; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 02:07:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com (mail-lj1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::236]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA4B940FB3 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 02:07:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b9cdbf682eso89557001fa.2 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1690992470; x=1691597270; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=HxS84KvWMCytI9xsQq6K85tW9pR49A6o7Xdi3C7RIX8=; b=sjO7eF1QeDofdJIo8iTJczqikmHbn8fW2QtvVrVhzOGEaYnEvoG8OAi32BvdYrXeUI qAe/Vylgp5C9Y03+yBHbgpEtwPUbnuMVC3mahMRdbcvxAAFpW+GVHH+sgcHM9PwZVM6u g3aisSf3nz4sV/D+zc2jP31FHpuSnZlIsxzZhs7oMSmGsMs1HLlpUyNjpZ1sz2v2F4nI PeLkbuW9O+r3gpGDdFCa2bcO6zIJa7c27AlBhI9jkP58RSxyqc9+837LfJaUqrZ+sYet xpkJfxmfmsx6JnysqhHx+aDjuY/7mdjdDnN5DeU4O2JXG9kLpaWGbOKz9Uy2nVhH9ebc NcYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1690992470; x=1691597270; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HxS84KvWMCytI9xsQq6K85tW9pR49A6o7Xdi3C7RIX8=; b=UratTOPjPuLqxqFgq4gDBSxHDxT1I/7tVjQ1YauNOWiiupz0hiJ8MN5qrbpM3gpX2z BUY5AvoM8jLFdosCN9VYUsg2PYaDRtSTKYMotOUp9OZRu1dMOe8yRoZobNDiKuG1bCuC kx5XwrOy85BGYI6UzY1cEJ+RW54QA2GVNt8uItkNI14LWcMTj88UMSdSBVT8fxkm9NV0 bMzVC0vKZuAKaNxgeArVus5vTeNc5YH4yLBNlU3GgP/25ocWe7hgNv14JV6mvaGD3fku bLXNt3w8U9Kmfhw/ZnCZhlc5l5zNJDHs6LvNMVagu/v7+rXY898FXkTFuuwBoJ5o5Ia5 EhCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLYbKxD30RGKp6EVEF0G1miGRcXIDF/HPhrAzsSiHa162hAH6TRP t8UQgVFaUUncrIBll0wn2MCpUKBLnzzpHnrV8cXhQgGJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlGjAB+vAxbdahlQuXRSSvoKeNqJXGazZw1n7Nj+T1JOODQ7ZRbInrK6KZ4pCNiSnGzQwmMHd5uSBQDcNidqm1A= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8553:0:b0:2b6:b6c4:6e79 with SMTP id u19-20020a2e8553000000b002b6b6c46e79mr5248257ljj.1.1690992469537; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87edknw0r1.fsf@hack.org> <1b01cf3b-41d7-cd82-044a-7973b84ca203@tnetconsulting.net> In-Reply-To: <1b01cf3b-41d7-cd82-044a-7973b84ca203@tnetconsulting.net> From: Dan Cross Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 12:07:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: Grant Taylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: Q6NHSKS4CEPAGJVN2FL3K6FRCB2POEFC X-Message-ID-Hash: Q6NHSKS4CEPAGJVN2FL3K6FRCB2POEFC X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: the wheel of reincarnation goes sideways List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:28=E2=80=AFPM Grant Taylor via COFF wrote: > On 8/1/23 10:55=E2=80=AFAM, Dan Cross wrote: > > Interesting. I don't really get the point of the Gopher revival, to be > > honest; > > Retro? Reminiscence? I guess? > > sure, I get that people want non-graphical, non-ad-laden content, > > but it sure seems like you could get something like that with the > > web just using a text-mode browser like `lynx` or even `links` and > > something like `gomarkdown`. > > Presumably people are creating new content to use in the newer Gopher > sphere, etc. > > So if people are creating new content, why can't they create the same > content in simple no-add HTML. Exactly. There are even pre-baked things one could put together that would serve much the same purpose. Going back to gopher et al seem like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. A small HTTP server that serves a little subtree of files on some random port and automatically renders markdown or something into trivial HTML is really all one needs. > > It's like the people who want to use Fidonet as an "alternative" > > to email. I mean, one can use the same protocols in parallel with > > the mainstream services. > > I was pawing at FidoNet (or other FTNs) as an alternative to SMTP > specifically because it was not SMTP. Tell that to the Fidonet people. :-) > Not that anything's wrong with SMTP to prevent it's use. My interest is > in the form of avoiding a single protocol failure. I don't see what the protocol has to do with it, but sure. - Dan C.