From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23142 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2023 21:24:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Jan 2023 21:24:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3C2423D6; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 07:24:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-f44.google.com (mail-oa1-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4417D423D3 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 07:24:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-12c8312131fso10786317fac.4 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 13:24:45 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=jIAccZTLHcK8/hSt5h7MA8dlaHDU7x5T6p74rQYhgpk=; b=azAm7yebLdFJOlzEMtFTKVgngjLFeBr0KwRwfUwS5eNrXwzZzDn8KZ9plnXgljytQT bHxdgie6Ne15KXWdgWlFLJt+KNSUqeQ0NT6aoWn/gxLUrYDze8CM2JM4ok9t3uWW/3jc Wr5n0lcmK+u4DLjZ5C/SRDV+YlzqOhsCEykpzdrv0yihqNxFdBC0yX2v4kTEPHaOEOCa k5fr93ADnojznNOO1Fy8ncUDSprpKbRC5nGpOq4wYOaUULA9eUVOxqH41sP7ZKP3Iprd AHHzHLwLFXInLR5DzS5byr/Zk+LR8B6Uwvii3PwAAbQhAeFD/EOUgVoZj3KVBruNlGhq /B+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUiysl+7UigblDGP0vbhsfPoPIrwUVgW5qNGoCL53OCtipaQuw7 jAHYBy8o2DNxk2DOb5w356AyQ/0y1gthiDemzd+YMMxeUuq2Yw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/jknK72CLhGZXFBZ2DeJM2xdJxzgt8boJDHzpFLWmbHsW81Ur7rJPgk917r1/VrR695B4PqEVeLoaTA6nh+8E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:5b99:b0:163:2e05:bc7a with SMTP id em25-20020a0568705b9900b001632e05bc7amr973634oab.225.1674941084004; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 13:24:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301270853.30R8rif6014271@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Nevin Liber Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 15:24:07 -0600 Message-ID: To: coff@tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000054f7f005f3599cf8" Message-ID-Hash: RAVSGJFFURYQWNPKHJO5DHMQ6L5HFKML X-Message-ID-Hash: RAVSGJFFURYQWNPKHJO5DHMQ6L5HFKML X-MailFrom: nliber@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Anyone still using USENET? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000054f7f005f3599cf8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" [moved to COFF] On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 4:16 AM Andy Kosela wrote: > Great initiative and idea! While I am personally not interested in reading > USENET that much nowadays, the concept of providing free, public access to > classic Internet services (public USENET, FTP, IRC, finger, etc.) gets all > my praise. What happened to free, public services these days? First off, what is stopping you from providing free, public access to those services? I don't know where you are, but I have orders of magnitude more access to freely available content and services than I ever did in the heyday of Usenet, etc. And for most of it, one doesn't have to be highly technical to use it. > Everything appears to to be subscriber pay-as-you-go based. The > commercialization killed the free spirit of Internet we all loved in the > 90s. > "Free" was never really true, as it required massive subsidies of equipment, power, bandwidth and employee time, usually w/o the direct knowledge or consent of the entities paying for it. It reminds me of the lemonade stands I'd occasionally run as a kid, which were "profitable" to me because mom and dad, with their knowledge and consent, let me pretend that the costs were $0. -- Nevin ":-)" Liber +1-847-691-1404 --00000000000054f7f005f3599cf8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 4:= 16 AM Andy Kosela <akosela@and= ykosela.com> wrote:
Great initiative and i= dea! While I am personally not interested in reading USENET that much nowad= ays, the concept of providing free, public access to classic Internet servi= ces (public USENET, FTP, IRC, finger, etc.) gets all my praise. What happen= ed to free, public services these days?

Fi= rst off, what is stopping you from providing free, public access to those s= ervices?

I don't know where you are, but I hav= e orders of magnitude more access to freely available content and services = than I ever did in the heyday of Usenet, etc.=C2=A0 And for most of it, one= doesn't have to be highly technical to use it.
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<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);pa= dding-left:1ex">Everything appears to to be subscriber pay-as-you-go based.= The commercialization killed the free spirit of Internet we all loved in t= he 90s.

"Free" was never real= ly true, as it required massive subsidies of equipment, power, bandwidth an= d employee time, usually w/o the direct knowledge or consent of the entitie= s paying for it.

It reminds me of the lemonade sta= nds I'd occasionally run as a kid, which were "profitable" to= me because mom and dad, with their=C2=A0knowledge and consent, let me pret= end that the costs were $0.
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= =C2=A0Nevin ":-)" Liber=C2=A0 <mailto:nevin@eviloverlord.com> =C2=A0+1= -847-691-1404
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