[COFF] Architectures -- was [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode (Clem Cole)

[COFF] Architectures -- was [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode (Clem Cole)

[rudi.j.blom]

I have to agree with Clem here. Mind you I still mourn the demise of
Alpha and even Itanium but then I never had to pay for those systems.
I only make sure they run properly so the customer can enjoy their
applications.

My 32-1/2 cents (inflation adjusted).
Take care and stay as healthy as some of my 25 year old servers :-)
Cheers,
uncle rubl

>From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
>To: Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com>
>Cc: COFF <coff at minnie.tuhs.org>
>Bcc:
>Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:36:20 -0500
>Subject: Re: [COFF] Architectures -- was [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode

<snip>
>BTW: Once again we 100% agree on the architecture part of the discussion.  And frankly >pre-386 days, I could not think how anyone would come up with it.  As computer >architecture it is terrible, how did so many smart people come up with such?  It defies >everything we are taught about 'good' computer architectural design.  But ....   after all of >the issues with the ISA's of Vax and the x86/INTEL*64 vs. Alpha --- is how I came to the >conclusion, architecture does not matter nearly as much as economics and we need to >get over it and stop whining.   Or in Christensen's view, a new growing market is often >made from a product that has technically not as good as the one in the original >mainstream market but has some value to the new group of people.
<snip>
-- 
The more I learn the better I understand I know nothing.

[COFF] Architectures -- was [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode (Clem Cole)

[rudi.j.blom]

Before some start, I didn't mean 25-year old AlphaServers or Itanium
boxes. I meant some fine aDEC400Xp and DECpc MTE servers, powered by
Intel 80496 (some even 33MHz!). The oldest AlphaServer, a DS10, is
from 1996 (has a new motherboard though). The oldest HP rx-server, two
rx1620, are from 2006.

Cheers,
uncle 'miereneuker' rubl

On 06/02/2021, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with Clem here. Mind you I still mourn the demise of
> Alpha and even Itanium but then I never had to pay for those systems.
> I only make sure they run properly so the customer can enjoy their
> applications.
>
> My 32-1/2 cents (inflation adjusted).
> Take care and stay as healthy as some of my 25 year old servers :-)
> Cheers,
> uncle rubl
>
>>From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
>>To: Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com>
>>Cc: COFF <coff at minnie.tuhs.org>
>>Bcc:
>>Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:36:20 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [COFF] Architectures -- was [TUHS] 68k prototypes & microcode
>
> <snip>
>>BTW: Once again we 100% agree on the architecture part of the discussion.
>> And frankly >pre-386 days, I could not think how anyone would come up with
>> it.  As computer >architecture it is terrible, how did so many smart
>> people come up with such?  It defies >everything we are taught about
>> 'good' computer architectural design.  But ....   after all of >the issues
>> with the ISA's of Vax and the x86/INTEL*64 vs. Alpha --- is how I came to
>> the >conclusion, architecture does not matter nearly as much as economics
>> and we need to >get over it and stop whining.   Or in Christensen's view,
>> a new growing market is often >made from a product that has technically
>> not as good as the one in the original >mainstream market but has some
>> value to the new group of people.
> <snip>
> --
> The more I learn the better I understand I know nothing.
>


-- 
The more I learn the better I understand I know nothing.