From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9442 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2023 20:38:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Feb 2023 20:38:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B378240BB4; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 06:38:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-f46.google.com (mail-ej1-f46.google.com [209.85.218.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E488B40A76 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 06:38:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-f46.google.com with SMTP id dr8so37693621ejc.12 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:38:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=S/F8B8z1eR38OVdDpN5j8eY6p2pdPbjE2ZKM5Op+ntc=; b=yksDpX0n1qpNJ89037Y2AVltSmNxSnUjBoYozzQP/Uy6kjstdMK9BS6eumyuWxAB7k KYK9h5LmyJ1vAJjYCKTY+eyVxmUWuxQJzxrtQvOqByUc66VbnhgU/Sy4EKvHxO9rHcqE AjeBc3spfNvuoBNB98hVW5cQ9kQRlBUGibjIfA/DSRVjqX3Xaqaz1hb7Xt+v38LFs3tH lEEjYQGvhQttYeHO2bb8fkyT1hjpHmacOW7JjqlCQHPZ/kVsv4HIpFbM7L60bfgRG8V6 8jtRYe6RkvGuFoMQxF0vVwSNwrB6Ev/m6lG1hcIrQegv/Inlhrn/Ev8zTH17jryx/2JA BzGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=S/F8B8z1eR38OVdDpN5j8eY6p2pdPbjE2ZKM5Op+ntc=; b=Nw2pcpek2mcqqHyun0BA5zWxo8bihWr5rUk7O3AyML0fG2BmfNgApgnKbVGFNqGVlz Sjm5YeoLPNQoaimMZGuAonmnEdJeIGZqp4ddBqZxqX5I2dFTt1bVRzu3VtxZXZF1qClF kWvsh2LxoabcHE6vSi5KgCqT38wcj1jD7sg9c3AB8hHRPXf5fxL7nhoYTZk3+dCvtCoD 0gMyaCOGpjpocDNBTRF4gjxemwFnvjcXWTREzG3oE1zBJjuXCodIeJh/4O/T+TMcekmz h751lD/XwpH3BmydPuOZUssxFzS6j7xVTibWcXk1Wu04qqEIcABfFeQOTn6Hgrp0Cksv 7L9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKU3qCeLvkLbXvJDLiP+bjX9efKu9FhU4CYfnWJABCwSFw0uiJJe kAVdPAG/pqBZbGp0/du4TDh+3V2oAWoAQkcxmC8IXQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set8UHG3n6Ikt40Jq3upLOkZe/tYOb3KHUtPo4KSQgPhnQ5tX+dE43ECSg/A1fHand4yt1k5tUxN8Euylih+zhqA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2f17:b0:888:c14e:70b6 with SMTP id v23-20020a1709062f1700b00888c14e70b6mr194895eji.306.1675715820066; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:37:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 13:36:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000033314b05f40dfecf" Message-ID-Hash: E45SXUUGGOCYYY3VTZ7HSAT6OBZO2EYM X-Message-ID-Hash: E45SXUUGGOCYYY3VTZ7HSAT6OBZO2EYM X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: VAX/VMS 4.4 Source Listing? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000033314b05f40dfecf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 PM Clem Cole wrote: > Matt, > I sent a former co-worker the VMS developer lead an email this AM. I > was pretty sure I knew the answer to my question when I asked if this had > any value. His reply was: > > *Not sure about this particular version, but there certainly are other > copies floating around.* > > *One thing to be aware of is that to my knowledge**, DEC never released a > complete source kit outside of the company at any price *(... we > certainly had that behavior in Ultrix/Tru64-land I know for sure...)*. > The kits redacted "sensitive" information, including some of the > authentication methods and the license enforcement (er, compliance > assistance) code. What was sold as a "source kit" (media, under license) > was, nonetheless considered a trade secret with all the markings. * > > *I had a complete copy of the master source pack in Marlborough during th= e > Aquarius development/debug time; I know I put backup tape of that into th= e > CHM. That has the CMS library which would go back to at least V1. (That > would be c.a. 1987-9.) But the master* > > V1 is 77-79... or is the CMS from that time? Warner * pack contains only the VMS OS & some tightly coupled products (e.g. > rms). The languages were elsewhere, as was the workstation software.* > > > Clem > =E1=90=A7 > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:38 PM segaloco via COFF wrote: > >> Good morning all, I was wondering if anyone in this group was aware of >> any known preservation of VAX/VMS 4.4 source code? >> >> Just saw this on eBay: >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/195582389147?hash=3Ditem2d899e6b9b:g:neYAAOSwmQ= Jj3EkH >> >> I certainly don't have the equipment for this in my arsenal, but at the >> same time, if this represents long-lost source code, I'd happy try and n= ab >> it and then get it to someone who can do the restoration work from this. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> - Matt G. >> > --00000000000033314b05f40dfecf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Matt,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I sent a former co-worker the V= MS developer lead=C2=A0an email this AM.=C2=A0 I was pretty sure I knew the= answer to my question when I asked if this had any value.=C2=A0 =C2=A0His = reply=C2=A0was:

<= font color=3D"#ff0000">Not sure about this particular version, but there= certainly are other copies floating around.

One thing to be aware of is that to my knowledge, DEC never released a complete source kit outside of the comp= any at any price=C2=A0(...=C2=A0 we certainly had that behavior in Ultri= x/Tru64-land I know for sure...).=C2= =A0 The kits redacted "sensitive" information, including some of = the authentication methods and the license enforcement (er, compliance assi= stance) code.=C2=A0 What was sold as a "source kit" (media, under= license) was, nonetheless considered a trade secret with all the markings.= =C2=A0

I had a complete copy of the master source pac= k in Marlborough during the Aquarius development/debug time; I know I put b= ackup tape of that into the CHM.=C2=A0 That has the CMS library which would= go back to at least V1.=C2=A0 (That would be c.a. 1987-9.)=C2=A0 But the m= aster

V1 is 77-79... or is the CMS from that time?

Warner=C2=A0


pack contains only the = VMS OS & some tightly coupled products (e.g. rms).=C2=A0 The languages = were elsewhere, as was the workstation software.


=

Clem

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On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:38 PM segaloco via COFF <coff@tu= hs.org> wrote:
Good morning all, I was wondering if anyone in this group was aware o= f any known preservation of VAX/VMS 4.4 source code?

Just saw this on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/195582389147?hash=3Ditem2d899e6b9b:g:n= eYAAOSwmQJj3EkH

I certainly don't have the equipment for this in my arsenal, but at the= same time, if this represents long-lost source code, I'd happy try and= nab it and then get it to someone who can do the restoration work from thi= s.

Thoughts?

- Matt G.
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