From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27963 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2021 05:17:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Nov 2021 05:17:07 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 106F89CA59; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:17:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360069C2A1; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:15:48 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="EIIQZwHJ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 548159C2A1; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:15:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f176.google.com (mail-pl1-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED299C152 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:15:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f176.google.com with SMTP id u17so7235548plg.9 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 21:15:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=J7l+f4F9wt6QXO15feJItpuXDKBhSTEU3+zPZb/wamM=; b=EIIQZwHJ4Ewy94TSC8jaEdt+pW0OlwMbNSf4LvyGMn4FVI76t1q5L1+NES0IxO4WMa QRyfLfvKUKfI2qaJE0dzyxbovzNC3WNSCHqbiWfdnGfgXHsctpik4FrZsF2OlBvt4Oz3 UycAohtos6bKbqPJRHxShSI9mMhD3Kx5JWOwm2QVrZByoeyu510GGK0aF+OrMyfLNdvq SbXU10zdD3xgFfBJO54dTRUbICf38lt46YVD051XHSOiBtDDJLH7YMzLTj1I9fu44Q3w P1HbB5P5HKtQC6M9l5vd/JzFiwDTtKof7YNRul0tQZZoW32cCFkWUbg2DbH3ZcC1Lht2 Zz8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=J7l+f4F9wt6QXO15feJItpuXDKBhSTEU3+zPZb/wamM=; b=3L2ofLFwAgFo+0eC4bw5jp9tSJR/egVXR7hMlhAfI/DX8As1xQ+kLzcMWmie11K5co 3D3eCsG9IvPU0m3WQsLJIbZQBFmMosjb86BhhYVQFENXFNSHMszlONFfcTmUg/sra3A/ 05ocBSFJiYMcrdNYTjTcKpHU9s3gl9U/2EG4NDYVgP+D5ky6Lt4saEFeKqca8mik0qQG 3Qwlzipy+qLi7VzWpMilmSC1TBWXLIuwl7ZwsG6cD8XlrNdQd6scUhpUu9jIJswx4jgk UPVQw0yrnPwuOUbgcFJ83EhDFs+Yn+72sb5fHVDU+X4bE3IoGlT2RbiQw8GxYwHUN9tM 6Oyw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533h+0Hl30AH0dncHyn2/IiM9t6hP8Rvi6VF7IvQJIaz8X7QXQBT wDCuiVDMg8/8/Pbgn6vzlti2VkEird34kG+5U5aDgeEl X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwPlx5bZ2Luj7Dd6xJp4mvJUDOBekJ695/Sc3gnWT5PBQLsCk2H2GduXdBXjjVGqDAkj/zWtUdhgc0HKfXMziI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3b8d:: with SMTP id pc13mr1344978pjb.112.1637298944442; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 21:15:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20211118230310.GB94373@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20211118230310.GB94373@eureka.lemis.com> From: Adam Thornton Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:15:32 -0700 Message-ID: To: Computer Old Farts Followers , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Subject: Re: [COFF] Powershell better than Bourne shell? X-BeenThere: coff@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8775810583399202990==" Errors-To: coff-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "COFF" --===============8775810583399202990== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f985be05d11d5db6" --000000000000f985be05d11d5db6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It=E2=80=99s not an insane claim. PS is way wordier but it does deal with structured objects rather than just byte streams. I think of PS as being a closer match to VM/CMS Pipelines (but much less elegant). There are arguments to be made both ways. I generally prefer the byte stream where the producer and consumer have to agree on the format, but, well, Unix is my homeland. I guess I argue that PS minus IPC is COBOL to Bourne Shell=E2=80=99s C. So= me people prefer it and de gustibus non est disputandum. On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:12 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I recently had a discussion with some colleagues on the topic of > shells. Two people whom I respect both told me that Microsoft's > Powershell runs rings round the Bourne shell. > > Somehow that sounds like anathema to me, but it's not beyond the > bounds of possibility. Before I waste time investigating, can anybody > here give me some insights? > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. 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It=E2=80=99s not an insane claim.
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PS is way wordier but it does deal with structu= red objects rather than just byte streams.

I think of PS as being a closer match to VM/CMS Pipeline= s (but much less elegant).

There are arguments to be made both ways.=C2=A0 I generally prefer the b= yte stream where the producer and consumer have to agree on the format, but= , well, Unix is my homeland.

I guess I argue that PS minus IPC is COBOL to Bourne Shell=E2=80=99s C= .=C2=A0 Some people prefer it and de gustibus non est disputandum.

On T= hu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:12 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
I recently had a discussion with some colleagues on the topic= of
shells.=C2=A0 Two people whom I respect both told me that Microsoft's Powershell runs rings round the Bourne shell.

Somehow that sounds like anathema to me, but it's not beyond the
bounds of possibility.=C2=A0 Before I waste time investigating, can anybody=
here give me some insights?

Greg
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