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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: COFF <coff@minnie.tuhs.org>, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>
Subject: Re: [COFF] [TUHS] 386BSD released
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:38:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YPW4mN5m/lwRt4lm@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2Oo7t3CW8jfH6Vwr-f4+B4aW-kZg8BNXGrMjyiXa-z4bQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:50:07AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> 
> Ted -- yes, your generation put a >>name<< to the behavior, which is a
> wonderful thing and something you can be proud.  But the behavior of openly
> sharing your work product with the community long predates, Linux, the
> wider Internet, *et al. * It is sad a minimum, if not downright
> disingenuous to say "open source" was created at that point.

No one said that "open source" was created at that point.  The perl,
BSD, FSF's emacs, gcc, and other software published under the GPL all
predated the definition of the **term** "Open Source".

However, I strongly contest the claim that Unix was "Open Source".
Unix was the UNPUBLISHED TRADE SECRET of AT&T, and students exposed to
Unix source code became contaminated with AT&T's "methods and
concepts" clause.  So they couldn't even *reimplement* Unix without
potentially getting sued by AT&T.

I always thought the implementation of /bin/true, which was a shell
script where the license statement proclaiming AT&T's copyright was
longer than the "exit 0" line, was both incredibly funny, and
incredibly sad.

Cheers,

						- Ted
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-19 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <CAKH6PiVCjo3YnTZUVYOCDeffQ6POVwGAQA1QMR9UinkfGn+AmQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-15  6:33   ` Michael Kjörling
2021-07-15 20:44     ` Derek Fawcus
2021-07-15 15:07   ` Clem Cole
2021-07-15 19:33     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-15 20:30       ` Clem Cole
2021-07-16  1:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-16  2:14           ` George Michaelson
2021-07-16 18:02           ` Grant Taylor via COFF
2021-07-17  4:09             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-17  6:30               ` [COFF] " Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via COFF
2021-07-17 12:37                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-17 13:30                   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via COFF
2021-07-18  3:29               ` [COFF] [TUHS] " Grant Taylor via COFF
2021-07-18  3:42                 ` David Arnold
2021-07-18  4:01                   ` Grant Taylor via COFF
2021-07-19 13:41                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-19 14:50                       ` Clem Cole
2021-07-19 17:38                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2021-07-19 19:33                           ` John P. Linderman
2021-07-19 20:21                             ` Clem Cole
2021-07-20  1:05                             ` Grant Taylor via COFF
2021-07-19 20:08                           ` Clem Cole
2021-07-20  0:55                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-18  6:44                   ` Andy Kosela
2021-07-16 16:11         ` Jonathan Corbet
2021-07-15 23:02       ` joe mcguckin
     [not found] <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2107140824460.15723@aneurin.horsfall.org>
     [not found] ` <213a4c11-3ab2-4b4a-8d6b-b52105a19711@localhost>
     [not found]   ` <CAE49LGn-gY9eikkwUgS+i3p=ZQV+gk_3BJ5V4_6B4HPbdyRuZw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-14 15:01     ` Clem Cole
2021-07-14 17:40       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-14 17:50         ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-14 18:28         ` Clem Cole
2021-07-14 20:03         ` John Cowan

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