From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22552 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2023 05:28:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 17 Jun 2023 05:28:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503DE410AC; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 15:28:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl (mailout2.ceti.pl [62.121.128.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCD9B40BB2 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 15:28:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3C13432D for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 07:28:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout.ceti.pl Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.42]) by localhost (mailout.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9IcggWV93O3A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 07:28:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ABA3432A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 07:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id D6C279549; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 07:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 07:28:36 +0200 From: Tomasz Rola To: segaloco via COFF Message-ID: References: <3j50sQfrIaP4KY538ptQg5480Fc8VW-NLkOlqM5hOrMo3sE8orBUPg3bxKnX3LtYZBV76G4K5elmvePm-OI-L3VlIFcOy8fk9uDY0Ro5gOs=@protonmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3j50sQfrIaP4KY538ptQg5480Fc8VW-NLkOlqM5hOrMo3sE8orBUPg3bxKnX3LtYZBV76G4K5elmvePm-OI-L3VlIFcOy8fk9uDY0Ro5gOs=@protonmail.com> Message-ID-Hash: ZLZKWLOSRVYAJIXNMZBMWHYWOVEOWOPS X-Message-ID-Hash: ZLZKWLOSRVYAJIXNMZBMWHYWOVEOWOPS X-MailFrom: rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: White Backgrounds on GUIs after Dark Backgrounds on Terminals? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 05:33:24PM +0000, segaloco via COFF wrote: > > As for the current light on dark, I wonder if this is just a new > set of engineers making their mark. I'm sure it's better. The cost > is the same, so now it's just marketing and a way to show off being > different - e.g., new/cool. But, there is also a benefit - we save the planet, or at least we show. And, perhaps nowadays it is fashionable to hint that one is a haxors. As of me, the first (probably) thing I do with newly installed system is go through various options and choose dark theme that pleases me. Otherwise I would be afraid of my eyes bleeding out of my head. > That kinda gets at the root of what I'm puzzling on too. At times > where a dark color scheme would've had some, if even minor, > technical benefit, it was stepped away from (as you said, Xerox is a > paper company, that all makes perfect sense), however, now we're > seeing the pendulum swing at a time where any amount of phosphor > relief or other potential power savings from not driving visual > content are lost on modern display technologies. I would blame, in no particular order, fashion, marketing propaganda, revolutionary new designs which want to be different from the interfaces of dark era of computers, troglodyte gurus banging their text into terminals versus hip guys delicately and finely soft touching their ideas into colorful whatever... In the past, I guess the reasons had more to do with economy, as Clem pointed. Closer to today, I imagine it is all about being hip and modern (as defined by the hip and the modern). > And I'll be the first to admit the difference is probably > negligible, it's not like I've done a power consumption analysis on I recall some scientists ~8 years ago were able to conclude which movie one was watching by measuring soft differences of electric power eaten by monitor (changing patterns on the display resulted in changing power consumption). So, yes, the electricity bill would be almost the same (because the differences were really small and detecting them required sensitive equipment, from what I remember). But, perhaps things can be different with OLED - I understand it shines only the pixels which are meant to shine. So, terminal emulation with OLED should make a more visible difference, but then again, leds draw so little energy that it may not really matter. > > side tidbit - he has the patent on the loadable curser - which was > > initially a martini glass, not an hourglass to show time > > I was waiting for a work conference to kick off as I was reading > this email, shared this tidbit. Our resident COBOL/dinosaur era guy > just remarked if programming at the time didn't drive you to drink > there was something wrong with you. I would like to believe times have changed. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com **