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[2a02:a464:36da:fc::7f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-a5a17894d6dsm550083766b.71.2024.05.12.23.20.13 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 May 2024 23:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arno by mail.ancienthardware.org with local (Exim 4.97) (envelope-from ) id 1s6P2j-0000000C7X9-1YGl for coff@tuhs.org; Mon, 13 May 2024 08:20:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 08:20:13 +0200 To: coff@tuhs.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: IPV642IVUAKGQNGHWWGQDI22FRV3OXYS X-Message-ID-Hash: IPV642IVUAKGQNGHWWGQDI22FRV3OXYS X-MailFrom: arno.griffioen@ieee.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: On Bloat and the Idea of Small Specialized Tools List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Arno Griffioen via COFF Reply-To: Arno Griffioen On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 06:22:15PM -0500, Nevin Liber wrote: > GUIs were better at discoverability.=C2=A0 The menu at the top made it ea= sy to see > (and constantly reinforced) what=C2=A0was possible, at least until we got= into the > era of contextual menus, gestures=C2=A0and force presses. At the risk of really sounding like a grumpy old fart... This in spades.. I have to laugh whenever there's a new iPhone/Android/Home-automation/Car or other 'touchscreen' device out and these days it seems required to watch= =20 about a dozen Youtube video's before you even know what new=20 tap/touch/button/squeeze action you can or have to do now to access some=20 feature. Supposedly we didn't want CLI's anymore because they were 'not intuitive' a= nd 'hard to access for lay persons'. (fair ciriticism..) ... and now we have these devices that often show a pretty picture, but *no= *=20 outward sign or indication about possible inputs/actions you can perform.=20 It's.. Almost like it's getting as bad as a '$ ' prompt for the 'uninitiate= d' For fun, give a heavy iPhone user an Android phone or vice-versa and see smoke coming out of their ears as they fight with it.. :) Bye, Arno.