* [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh
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@ 2022-08-05 13:33 ` Clem Cole
2022-08-05 14:55 ` Adam Thornton
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From: Clem Cole @ 2022-08-05 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Al Kossow; +Cc: Computer Old Farts Followers
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This thread needs to move to COFF to continue - although my own story is
1/2 about BSD and the VAX.
On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 10:15 PM Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
> On 8/4/22 5:37 PM, Andrew Newman wrote:
>
> > There's a bunch of AED documentation online, including this...
> >
> > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf <
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf>
>
> I worked at AED before going to Apple, to stay sort of window related, the
> last project I worked on at AED was
> a VME and Qbus board set that was a complete color X terminal.
>
I had to chuckle when I read that. In the fall of '82 (I think), we got a
Smalltalk VM from PARC at UCB. Dave Unger, Ken Keller, and I - plus some
other folks in Patterson's systems seminar who's names I have since
forgotten, wrote a VM in C for the VAX/BSD. We used an AED512 and Keller's
graphics library from his thesis running over a 19.2 serial link as the
output. About a month after we had it running, a couple of us got to visit
PARC, and Peter Deutch showed us Smalltalk running on a Dorado. He ran his
hand with the mouse across the screen opening and closing a bunch of
windows randomly. We started laughing and Peter asked us what was so
funny. We told him what he did would have taken at least 5 minutes to
redisplay on BSD/VAX version.
Clem
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* [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh
2022-08-05 13:33 ` [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh Clem Cole
@ 2022-08-05 14:55 ` Adam Thornton
2022-08-05 22:16 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Adam Thornton @ 2022-08-05 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Computer Old Farts Followers
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I'm fairly certain that in my very early Linux experiments (0.09, maybe?) I
used mgr for a while because X only supported the Tseng ET-4000 (something
like that) video card, which I didn't have. I remember finding it
completely usable.
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* [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh
2022-08-05 14:55 ` Adam Thornton
@ 2022-08-05 22:16 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2022-08-05 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Computer Old Farts Followers
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2022, Adam Thornton wrote:
> I'm fairly certain that in my very early Linux experiments (0.09,
> maybe?) I used mgr for a while because X only supported the Tseng
> ET-4000 (something like that) video card, which I didn't have. I
> remember finding it completely usable.
Tseng Labs as I recall, and it was extremely common.
-- Dave
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* [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh
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@ 2022-08-09 1:46 ` Dave Horsfall
2022-08-09 1:50 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2022-08-09 1:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Computer Old Farts Followers; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
[ Moved to COFF ]
On Thu, 4 Aug 2022, Dan Cross wrote:
[...]
> It wasn't particularly notable, or at least didn't leave much of an
> impression; it presented a pretty "standard" (and primitive!)
> graphical experience. I believe it was monochrome, with amber
> on black.
It also ran on the Applix 1616, an Aussie designed and built 68000
system; it was pretty much ahead of its time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applix_1616
-- Dave
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* [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh
2022-08-09 1:46 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2022-08-09 1:50 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2022-08-09 1:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Computer Old Farts Followers; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
On Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> It also ran on the Applix 1616, an Aussie designed and built 68000
> system; it was pretty much ahead of its time.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applix_1616
Oops; I forgot the article describing how MGR was ported to said box:
http://ericlindsay.com/applix/mgr.pdf
-- Dave
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