From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23367 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2023 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Jan 2023 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE2242582; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:39:06 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1674405546; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=/X0HFNQNh48LQ1NVERIhI6Q4J4KGWq/e7G4YQ1r/RaM=; b=yA+vt279JqOnyrMIOiaD91mvU6y30rSeoCVjN09M7OqZuCfqR105rqJsudhiOdpcNtpRl7 1cV3PyObS4KgIoY2t6sImMD0thCgwCd110YoSCxfsEDAuoiuMt7wXAywMzQCF49V7HTRO7 poDHU6rJJtrvSll4DAcDvh73/Iwnzpg= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E70204257B for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:39:01 +1000 (AEST) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:38:52 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1674405539; x=1674664739; bh=/X0HFNQNh48LQ1NVERIhI6Q4J4KGWq/e7G4YQ1r/RaM=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=f1//mr9y1xxE32fNl3QAiQt2Ts/m35xi9e96FXDMdVoUsQRs9C22lDZjgglm3yUXA +7rohktkt8JwFbOVN2tDLaA/unF6RdFICFlO5XcD3gSLSV0wo+i4NfJVbLY/HLQI9S XNw/KvCeAzi20M/hxV08DQDzTrbuLCkt7V6NVIlDLGEmEBZOca3tc0HvxZ53JTX0dk LPyRnNTchlDzFF/Fm7M5nwd/UXKBOjK1ADqX5fF4xJP3R2FtnZEBO4iEzdLYa1OUFs lpHqw9rjtMMpNVdlyDLjJGlktNpyqQqGMh+JgmOKEUIsp6kg2hgSI5gBaXgqCMfqfT JSOizR7O0fZbw== To: Stuff Received Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <7cc2b7c5-5e98-9299-4fa8-a477fbf4ff77@makerlisp.com> <75cfc721-a662-ddea-1188-767462d747ae@makerlisp.com> <202301211812.30LICtSl021234@freefriends.org> <396750c7-6fc8-9b15-5e68-9f569718ba2e@makerlisp.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: ZIKB7BPS347COADPG2BI742OHMEVLIEJ X-Message-ID-Hash: ZIKB7BPS347COADPG2BI742OHMEVLIEJ X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: The era of general purpose computing (Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode (COFFed) List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via COFF Reply-To: segaloco One of the higher ups at work has suggested quite an interest in ChatGPT as= a code documentarian. I'm wary to let that thing near my code bases, but = I'm a stickler for style as much as function, so a bit you could also tell = to make pretty, readable code would be interesting. I see most effective applications in documentation and cleanup, as a bot co= uld probably be made to spit out pretty consistent documentation of functio= ns to the tune of "always describe an if else option with this verbiage" or= "add a mention of the stack depth added by every routine", and then cleanu= p like enforcing/removing braces on one liners, resorting procedures to gro= up more relevant operations (when not order-dependent), and perhaps better = intelligent editors that don't need as much configuration to smartly suppor= t many programming languages. I'd love an editor that allows for rich edit= ing of assembly alongside C. Hopefully the direction the improvements on productivity go are "Gee my wor= kers can work so efficiently now they deserve the time this frees up for th= em." although my fear is "Gee my workers can work so efficiently now I only= need half of them." I only support automation that makes workers' lives e= asier, not automation that makes executives bottom lines better at the cost= of jobs. - Matt G. ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, January 22nd, 2023 at 7:40 AM, Stuff Received wrote: > On 2023-01-22 00:23, David Arnold wrote (in part): >=20 > > I=E2=80=99ve played with ChatGPT, and the first 10 minutes were a bit >=20 > > confronting. But the remainder of the hour or so I played >=20 > > overcame my initial concerns. >=20 > > It=E2=80=99s amazing what can be done, especially with Javascript or >=20 > > Python, when you ask for something that=E2=80=99s fairly simple to >=20 > > define, and in a common application area. You can get reasonable >=20 > > code, refine it, ask for an altered approach, etc. It=E2=80=99s probabl= y >=20 > > quicker than writing it yourself, especially if you=E2=80=99re not >=20 > > intimately familiar with the library being used (or even the >=20 > > language). >=20 > > But =E2=80=A6 it pretty quickly becomes clear that there=E2=80=99s no s= emantic >=20 > > understanding of what=E2=80=99s being done behind it. And unless you >=20 > > specify what you want in pretty minute detail, the output is >=20 > > unlikely to be what you want. >=20 >=20 > The comment by Derek Jones > (https://shape-of-code.com/2023/01/15/coding-mistakes-made-by-chatgtp/) > may be of interest here. >=20 > N.