From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/44915 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stainless Steel Rat Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Who sets Sender:? Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:46:16 -0400 Organization: The Happy Fun Ball Brigade Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <02May21.154121edt.119281@gateway.intersystems.com> References: <87bsbak1ws.fsf@nwalsh.com> <87d6vqtqnv.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <02May21.105936edt.119176@gateway.intersystems.com> <02May21.122206edt.119093@gateway.intersystems.com> <02May21.142858edt.119269@gateway.intersystems.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022010659 7002 127.0.0.1 (21 May 2002 19:50:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17AFes-0001oh-00 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:50:58 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17AFd3-00032K-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:49:05 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 21 May 2002 14:49:24 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10842 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 2492 invoked by alias); 21 May 2002 19:48:48 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 2487 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 19:48:48 -0000 Original-Received: from gateway.intersys.com (HELO intersystems.com) (198.133.74.253) by gnus.org with SMTP; 21 May 2002 19:48:48 -0000 Original-Received: by gateway.intersystems.com id <119281>; Tue, 21 May 2002 15:41:21 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Attribution: Rat In-Reply-To: (prj@po.cwru.edu's message of "Tue, 21 May 2002 14:50:45 -0400") Original-Lines: 51 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i686-pc-linux) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44915 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:44915 * prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) on Tue, 21 May 2002 | > 2. RFC 2822 requires a Sender header be generated when the identities of | > the originator and sender differ. | By "generated", do you mean automatically? I would disagree with | that. Even if not, this is only a matter of SHOULD, not MUST, so I | wouldn't say "required". In some circumstances the Sender MUST appear, such as when the From field contains more than one mailbox. In others it says that the header SHOULD appear. It does not say who MUST or SHOULD generate the header. It is presumed that the MUA will do so if the user does not, just as the MUA fills in the From header as necessary. | > I choose to use a definition of "identity" that meets the criteria given by | > both RFC 2822 and | Which criteria are those, specifically? That it identify the agent who hits the button that initiates the process of connecting to the the MTA or news server and handing off the message, and that an attempt has been made at getting the address correct if the user has not done so himself. [...] | You give me the impression that that goal is worth more to you than | using a reasonable reading of RFC 2822. If you care about that goal, | that's fine, but I don't see anything in RFC 2822 to back you; you can | promote that sort of configuration without claiming that RFC 2822 | demands it. Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems to me that you read RFC 2822 as a Gnus user. You see a small problem with Gnus and you fix it. There is nothing wrong with that, but... I read RFC 2822 as a systems administrator, and I have to make RFC 2822 -- the format of a mail message -- work with all of the other protocols necesssary to get your message delivered. Where you see a small problem, I see a symptom of a greater problem, one that affects all users on a network. Your solution is to configure the client. That is not a good solution for systems administrators who may have to deal with hundreds or thousands of users. We want to fix the problem once and be done with it. My solution is to configure the network and mail gateway to function correctly for everyone who uses them. What you see as my goal is the solution to your problem. -- Rat \ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ That and five bucks will get you a small coffee at Starbucks.