From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/31059 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Johansson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: getting started again was:Re: Python Emacs (was Re: The .. rule) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:46:16 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <03c201bfc0be$ad2510f0$0500a8c0@rufus> References: <00May12.111709edt.115683@gateway.intersys.com><200005121547.RAA12153@marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> <200005172027.WAA16517@marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de><019e01bfc047$07748130$0500a8c0@rufus> <200005180917.LAA25256@marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035167512 11890 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 02:31:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Return-Path: Original-Received: from lisa.math.uh.edu (lisa.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.49]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B675D051E for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAB14841; Thu, 18 May 2000 06:54:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 18 May 2000 06:53:19 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15538 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 06:53:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from harvee.billerica.ma.us (harvee.ConnActivity.com [206.34.215.253]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950EBD051E for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from rufus (rufus.billerica.ma.us [192.168.0.5]) by harvee.billerica.ma.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21845; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:46:17 -0400 Original-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kai_Gro=DFjohann?= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:31059 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:31059 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai Großjohann" To: "Eric S. Johansson" Cc: "François Pinard" ; Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Python Emacs (was Re: The .. rule) > "Eric S. Johansson" writes: > > > A case in point is Gnus. I'm very impressed at its power but using > > it to read IMAP e-mail is sufficiently difficult that I've given up > > and gone back to outlook (or pine on heavy virus days). One of > > these days when I have a week to spare, I'll go back to using it as > > my newsreader. For now, tin is sufficiently simple that I can do > > what I want without needing to spend a lot of time learning. > > Have you ever used Gnus for reading mail before? Maybe you only have > a small problem which is easy to help you with. What was the problem > you saw when using Gnus for IMAP mail? > > Getting the configuration right is a bit of a problem, but that's a > one-time-only event, and we can help you with that. I had never used gnus before trying pnews even though I am a long time emacs user (since version 17). I must admit that I miss the simplicity of rmail but enjoy the freedom that IMAP gives me. You are right that most of the problems I have seem to be configuration problems. If I remember correctly, I was seeing things like conflicts with programming-by-voice tools, seeing my IMAP folders listed two and three times in the same buffer, I couldn't get messages marked for deletion, expiration/expunge, and draft buffers to work. I haven't even begun to experiment with directing e-mail messages to other folders. from past learning experiences, I believe part of my failure to use guns successfully was due to the fact I haven't been able to sit with the concepts that Gnus uses and really understand them. In contrast, every other IMAP based mail client I've used (except mahogany which is excused because it still not very mature) has been a two-hour learning experience to get everything working the way I want ranging from synchronizing with all the mailboxes to filtering to URL launching. I love emacs, I would love to build a grammar to drive gnus from speech recognition and added to my current emacs grammar (FYI, I'm partially handicapped (rsi) and need to use speech recognition for most computer use). I just need to be able to get my head around all of the concepts so that I can write the grammar. I'm perfectly willing to play the role of an idiot user and make the whole process of learning very transparent so that the documentation and instructions on how to get started can be improved. Is this something people on the list are willing to do? --- eric (village idiot in training)