From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75409 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Just shoot me now Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:54:00 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <0hlj3hwxxz.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> References: <87bp4es21b.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <82r5d9ajlm.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293036889 5007 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2010 16:54:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Tommy Kelly Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23761@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 22 17:54:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVRxd-0007yo-51 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:54:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVRx2-0006Ac-B2; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:54:08 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVRx0-0006AS-RM for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:54:06 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVRwz-0006ef-9P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:54:06 -0600 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.214.45]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVRwy-0005O7-Fe for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:54:04 +0100 Original-Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so6480058bwz.32 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:54:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject :organization:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=WA0LcUj2WXPgadDHNLel8pyayRP91lQJYtoGCJWSOfw=; b=IbKq5ERpLqp0WjjRNNrguSAs9LDkK7Y+k33ZwFIeXoNPqf9+KfH4kCDrSHbFBJoCV6 2Lg9S/ZVQbeR6LGPd2U2uPE0OMM2yeAInqcJloytM3dadNWYoE37rQlr457ZlcacL3wx j60KIuxozFCQRHudlCj9Bwuo3gbve+M+lx8mk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:organization:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=NxBvV3bsa+O7fBKQQofwE7Bs81D2hnxHteO4O6buPVs3lHyerU8GcTYtWbNUrBymN3 2iQUZXtHHRUySsG0wET6XuSI7eJy8r3BeRKOTAqIXH05Q6wKoxJxYzCmT7WH17a9lu3+ YiRcy/hH1dMsCZ17OLcNV67eNCzA2QYoeiUvo= Original-Received: by 10.204.52.75 with SMTP id h11mr255790bkg.67.1293036843998; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost ([85.183.18.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j11sm5021023bka.0.2010.12.22.08.54.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:54:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Tommy Kelly's message of "Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:30:33 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75409 Archived-At: Tommy Kelly writes: > Sivaram Neelakantan writes: >> Funnily, mail splitting worked for me the first time I tried apart >> from a few minor misses. But mine were simple ones >> >> (setq nnmail-split-methods >> '(("sas-l" "^Subject:.*SAS-L*") >> ;; ("ctan-ann" "^From:.*ctan-ann*") >> ("mail.misc" ""))) >> >> is all I did. > > Ah but see that's simple splitting. That's for girls (cue slaps for > sexism and threats to get Sacha Chua to kick my ass). Real Men use > *fancy* splitting. And it's fancy splitting that's destroying my will > to live. :-) > >> WhyTF, I didn't >> understand it the first time around or for that matter many other >> times before, I don't know. > > Exactly right. It's normal, once you become more expert to forget what > it was like to be a newb. > > But a key component of writing good docs, much as in good teaching, is > precisely the ability to rewind your mind to that first time around, > remember what it was like to not know what you now know, and to plot a > path forwards for the newbie. > > Most people find that hard. The few that can are called good > teachers. The very best of those are called Richard Feynman. > >> Of course, the fault is mostly mine that I make feeble attempts at >> learning elisp.... > > Well yes and no. To me it's not unreasonable that if you want to get to > grips with the dark underbelly of Gnus (or anything in emacs) you have > to roll your sleeves up and dig into lisp. But that doesn't mean the > documentation is fine. > > Again -- lest Lars, Andreas and the other Noble Writers Of Code get fed > up with what may seem like whining, just keep hacking guys. You are much > appreciated. > > Tommy Abd just in case anyone is reading this, I still havent got an example of fancy splitting working, Here is my setup:- ,---- | (setq spam-use-bogofilter t) | (setq spam-use-spamassassin t) | | (require 'spam) | (spam-initialize) | | (setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX")) | (setq nnimap-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split) "INBOX")) | | (setq nnmail-split-inbox '("INBOX")) | (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split) "SYS-INBOX")) | | (setq spam-split-disabled nil) | | (setq spam-autodetect-recheck-messages nil) | (setq spam-mark-ham-unread-before-move-from-spam-group t) | (setq spam-mark-new-messages-in-spam-group-as-spam t) | (setq spam-split-group "Gnus-Spam") `---- And no splitting is happening on the INBOX. I cant think what else might be inhibiting it so if no one can help I'll try, gulp, to debug it...