From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62973 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.mail.mh-e.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Customize :package-version keyword Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:25 -0700 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <10069.1145668585@olgas.newt.com> References: <3518.1145405408@olgas.newt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145668634 16473 80.91.229.2 (22 Apr 2006 01:17:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Sat Apr 22 03:17:10 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists-outbound.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.225]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX6kE-0004IP-5k for gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:17:06 +0200 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net (sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net [10.3.1.7]) by sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606AF89AED; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.3.1.93] (helo=sc8-sf-list1-new.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FX6jg-0002Nn-S3 for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:32 -0700 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-mx2-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.92] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1-new.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX6jg-0004v0-RA for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:32 -0700 Original-Received: from tassie.newt.com ([70.85.162.231]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FX6jf-0006Ws-En for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:32 -0700 Original-Received: from olgas.newt.com (m510e36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.14.81]) by tassie.newt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788561D0B01; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by olgas.newt.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53BA016FB7; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from olgas.newt.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olgas.newt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5039E16FA9; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ding@gnus.org Mail-Followup-To: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ding@gnus.org In-reply-to: Comments: In-reply-to Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen message dated "Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:14:33 +0200." 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Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 1.0 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO Original-Sender: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Forum for the MH-E developers List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:16:25 -0700 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.mail.mh-e.devel:12153 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62973 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Bill Wohler writes: > > > The :version keyword (used in defcustom, defgroup, and defface) isn't > > very helpful for packages such as MH-E (and probably Gnus as well) which > > have releases more often than Emacs. For example, MH-E has had two major > > releases and a score of minor releases. > > I'm a bit fuzzy on what :version is trying to achieve. Are users > supposed to list new options that have arrived since some other > version? And have any users ever done this? :-) If customize-changed-options is new in Emacs 22, probably not ;-). But yeah, the use of :version (and now :package-version) enables customize-changed-options to show which options have been added, or have had their default changed since the last (or selected) version. Think of it as another way of reading NEWS. > > After broaching this subject on emacs-devel > > (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/51453), I ended up > > implementing :package-version using ideas provided by Richard. If you > > add, for example, > > > > :package-version '(MH-E . "8.0") > > Makes sense to me, I think. On the other hand, I've always considered > the version of Gnus included with Emacs/XEmacs the "real" version, > on the vague idea that most Gnus users uses the pre-packaged version > of Gnus. (I have no data that supports this notion. :-) I don't ;-). Until I started using CVS Emacs, I'd always used a more up-to-date version than what was packaged with Emacs. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. ------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642