From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/38564 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: How to help debug numerous crashes of 21.4.4 on Windows? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:28:34 +0900 Message-ID: <15252.11842.757706.365194@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <86u1ylpe0a.fsf@earthlink.net> <1ylpz61s.fsf@oce.orst.edu> <15250.55083.448859.484206@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8zfwxo6t.fsf@oce.orst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035174407 23169 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:26:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=), dmkarr@earthlink.net (David M. Karr), xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 4489 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 01:28:57 -0000 Original-Received: from turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (HELO localhost) (root@130.158.99.4) by gnus.org with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 01:28:57 -0000 Original-Received: by localhost id m15e511-00012zC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #2); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:28:35 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Jody Klymak In-Reply-To: <8zfwxo6t.fsf@oce.orst.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.4 (patch 4) "Artificial Intelligence" XEmacs Lucid Original-Lines: 29 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:38564 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:38564 >>>>> "JMK" =3D=3D Jody Klymak writes: JMK> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: >> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>=20 >>> This is a known bug, it's the reason that using 21.4.4 is >>> deprecated on Windows. >> Ah! Well, everything is clear, then, I think. JMK> Yes, except I'm using 21.4.3... Right. It's not just in 21.4.4, but something about 21.4.4 means it gets tickled far more often. Apparently Jody always gets clobbered in 21.4.3 but most other people didn't. See the thread "Call Stack for Window..." starting around July 24 for more details, but basically it's a problem that a structure containing live Lisp pointers was getting collected too early. Messing with GC is inherently destabilizing; I'm not going to apply patches willy-nilly. --=20 University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JA= PAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5= 091 _________________ _________________ _________________ ______________= ___ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."