Reordering topics

Reordering topics

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

So, here we have a nice topic hierarchy:

Gnus
  misc
       10: news.admin.misc
        2: news.admin.abuse
    Miskit
        4: comp.mail.readers
  My Mail
     1245: gnus-bug
   356E18: mail.ding

So, I want to move the "Miskit" topic from the "misc" topic into the
"My Mail" topic.   How do I specify that I want to do it?  I kill the
"Miskit" topic with `C-k' as usual, and then I move point to, uhm, "My
Mail" and press `C-y'.  Then "Miskit" becomes a subtopic of "My
Mail".  If you `C-y' on a group, then "Miskit" will become a top-level
topic.  

Now, this works, but I find it incredibly finicky.  It also means that
I can't order topics inside each sub-topic -- when I `C-y' on a topic,
the yanked topic becomes the last subtopic of that topic.

Are there other newsreaders with hierarchical group displays?  How do
thay do it?  Would it help with a separate topic buffer for
reordering?  

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: Reordering topics

[Per Abrahamsen]

Why not have the subtopic appear where you press `C-y'?

I think it would be easier to understand the listing if indentation
was used for both topics and groups:

Topic A
  group under topic A 
  group under topic A 
  Topic B under topic A
     group under topic B
     group under topic B
  group under topic A
  Topic C under topic A
     group under topic C
     Topic D under topic C
        group under topic D
  group under topic A
Topic E

Re: Reordering topics

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> Why not have the subtopic appear where you press `C-y'?

Yes, but.

> Topic A
>   group under topic A 
>   group under topic A 
>   Topic B under topic A
>      group under topic B
>      group under topic B +
>   group under topic A *

I now want to insert Topic D in Topic A after topic B.  I would then
put point on the line marked "*".  Ok.  By say I wanted to insert
Topic D in Topic B after the group marked "+".  Then I would also put
point on the line marked "*", right?  

Which makes it difficult for Gnus to guess at what I want.

But I agree with the indentation thingie--the groups should be
indented with the topics.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: Reordering topics

[Scott Blachowicz]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:

> > Topic A
> >   group under topic A 
> >   group under topic A 
> >   Topic B under topic A
> >      group under topic B
> >      group under topic B +
> >   group under topic A *
> 
> I now want to insert Topic D in Topic A after topic B.  I would then
> put point on the line marked "*".  Ok.  By say I wanted to insert
> Topic D in Topic B after the group marked "+".  Then I would also put
> point on the line marked "*", right?  
> 
> Which makes it difficult for Gnus to guess at what I want.

Have you taken a look at the outline modes floating around?  The "kotl"
mode stuff in hyperbole has key bindings (bound to `TAB' and `ESC TAB')
for demoting and promoting an item in the hierarchy.  In that model, you
would yank Topic D with point right after the "+" group.  If it doesn't
come out at the right level in the hierarchy (presumably, it'd either be a
new top level Topic or at the same level it was when you killed it), you
hit TAB to get it there.  How's that sound?

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