unticking ticked articles in nnml groups

unticking ticked articles in nnml groups

[Mark Borges]

In all liklihood this is working as it should, but I find it somewhat
counter-intuitive...

Suppose I tick, `!', a bunch of articles in an nnml group. After a few
months, the number of ticked articles in the nnml group is
overwhelming (apparently I err on the side of interesting ;-). I then
go back and mark as read, via `d', bound to
gnus-summary-mark-as-read-forward(), all the articles that weren't so
interesting after all.

I thought Gnus would then mark them as expirable and thus subject them
to the expiry process, but it doesn't. It marks them as old, `O', and
does not expire them. Shouldn't they go back to expirable, `E'? After
all, when I read an article it gets marked as expirable (I don't
recall if this is an option or not right now), and if the article has
been ticked it most likely has been read (yes, I can think of a
situation where that assumption would be false, though).

Alternatively, could I rebind `d' to a homegrown
gnus-mark-as-expirable-forward() (i.e., the complement of
gnus-mark-as-read-forward()) and not suffer any ill consequences in
other groups? For me, cap-E is hard to type and I want it to move
forward after changing the mark.

What do others think? Is the current behavior the desired one? If so,
is there some option (or group of options) that will give me my
desired behavior? Right now I go back and change all the `O' marks to
`E' so that the articles will eventually get deleted, but I'm getting
tired of doing that. I bet there is a better way in sgnus to get done
what I want.

Thanks for any help or comments.
-- 
  -mb-

Re: unticking ticked articles in nnml groups

[Mark Boyns]

Mark Borges <mdb@cdc.noaa.gov> writes:
[snip]
> What do others think? Is the current behavior the desired one? If so,
> is there some option (or group of options) that will give me my
> desired behavior? Right now I go back and change all the `O' marks to
> `E' so that the articles will eventually get deleted, but I'm getting
> tired of doing that. I bet there is a better way in sgnus to get done
> what I want.

`C-k' (gnus-summary-kill-same-subject) does what you want, but I do
think that `d' should mark them expireable.

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Re: unticking ticked articles in nnml groups

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "mb" == Mark Borges <mdb@cdc.noaa.gov> writes:

mb> Suppose I tick, `!', a bunch of articles in an nnml group.  [...]  I
mb> then go back and mark as read, via `d', [...]

mb> I thought Gnus would then mark them as expirable and thus subject them
mb> to the expiry process, but it doesn't. It marks them as old, `O', [...]

[...]

mb> If so, is there some option (or group of options) that will give me my
mb> desired behavior?

I use total-expire and don't have this problem.  The articles go away when
they're supposed to.  I think total-expire is the way to go, if you're
willing to accept that everything you read will be expirable (unless you
tick it or mark it dormant); you won't see the explicit 'E' mark.
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