From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/6546 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrew Innes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus v5.2 and GNU Emacs 19.31 Win32 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:22:06 +0100 Message-ID: <199606062022.VAA17735@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035146984 3953 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 20:49:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu, ding@ifi.uio.no Return-Path: ding-request@ifi.uio.no Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02910 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:50:09 -0700 Original-Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.4.58]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:23:21 +0200 Original-Received: from propos.long.harlequin.co.uk by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:22:47 +0100 Original-Received: from woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk (woozle [193.128.93.77]) by propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA17735; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 21:22:06 +0100 Original-To: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Pieri on 06 Jun 1996 15:57:25 -0400) Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:6546 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:6546 On 06 Jun 1996 15:57:25 -0400, Richard Pieri said: >>>>>>"AI" == Andrew Innes writes: > AI>movemail only reads your inbox (only via POP3 on NT/Win95) > >That would do it, then. Gnus relies on movemail to safely copy the >inbox to a work file before deleting the inbox. One workaround is to >use another program when trying to read from a local spool (the mv >program in the unix95 archive seems to work; the MS-DOS MOVE.EXE does >not). If you are doing this on a "live" filesystem, one that an SMTP >daemon can write to, do not do this, you could loose mail. Yup - movemail has the ability to read directly from a mail spool file as well, with all the proper locking code. However, this method is disabled on NT/Win95 precisely because Samba (widely used free software that lets Windows machines access Unix disks over the network) doesn't appear to implement the necessary locking calls. >However, I have now discovered another problem with the ntemacs >movemail: it converts the incoming mail file (from the POP3 server) to a >Babyl file, which is a big pain in the behind since Gnus is not geared >to parse a non-Unix (or MMDF) mail file. Is this the normal behavior >for movemail? Is there any way to disable it (I can't find anything in >the primary Emacs distribution sources that shows how)? Or is there a >replacement for movemail that does not act so -- IMO -- brain-damaged? Yes, movemail is hard-coded to write the output file in Babyl format, although it could easily be modified and recompiled to output in a different format (make sure you call it something other than movemail if you do that, to avoid confusion). Curiously, movemail only does this conversion when reading from a POP3 server - when reading a mail spool file directly, it just makes a verbatim copy. I'm sure Gnus could be made to borrow some of RMAIL's functions for parsing Babyl files, if necessary, but modifying movemail itself would be far simpler. AndrewI