* still one smiley glitch @ 1996-07-17 17:25 Karl Kleinpaste 1996-07-17 18:40 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-17 18:49 ` William Perry 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 1996-07-17 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) 5.2.36 + Jan Vroonhof's very latest smiley patch. Article <31eb8c79.3291435@206.13.28.28> contains a line: go to either http://www.altavista.com/ or http:/dejanews.com/ in which the first <colon><slash><slash> is shown correctly, but the second <colon><slash><slash> appears as http<glyph>dejanews.com/ --karl, mildly confused ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-17 17:25 still one smiley glitch Karl Kleinpaste @ 1996-07-17 18:40 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-17 19:37 ` Karl Kleinpaste 1996-07-17 18:49 ` William Perry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-17 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "KK" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl@lycos.com> writes: KK> go to either http://www.altavista.com/ or http:/dejanews.com/ KK> in which the first <colon><slash><slash> is shown correctly, but the KK> second <colon><slash><slash> appears as http<glyph>dejanews.com/ That would be because "<colon><slash>" is *NOT* a valid URL component. It must be a colon followed by two slashes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMe0zjJ6VRH7BJMxHAQEqBAQAjMgrSl5siZ7/s0DLWgvYb4CFWzQfwjEs MuU5WX2Fq8D0LmnX0dybzojXu4+WfV3rj0O0t9LLDxasl2YSXLmqxMC7i/UmXebb LdJllA+z5LFzIXKhvBFt3OUs0lTiAfbtWAagN/c17kBEEnrzZHnFYiAc4cP/3YhN HNJB2pMSs2M= =4YDn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Climb your way to the top; that's why the <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> \ drapes are there. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-17 18:40 ` Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-17 19:37 ` Karl Kleinpaste 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 1996-07-17 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw) Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes: > That would be because "<colon><slash>" is *NOT* a valid URL component. > It must be a colon followed by two slashes. Yup, my error. I hadn't quite noticed that the 2nd URL was malformed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-17 17:25 still one smiley glitch Karl Kleinpaste 1996-07-17 18:40 ` Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-17 18:49 ` William Perry 1996-07-17 19:10 ` Per Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: William Perry @ 1996-07-17 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > > 5.2.36 + Jan Vroonhof's very latest smiley patch. > > Article <31eb8c79.3291435@206.13.28.28> contains a line: > > go to either http://www.altavista.com/ or http:/dejanews.com/ > > in which the first <colon><slash><slash> is shown correctly, but the > second <colon><slash><slash> appears as http<glyph>dejanews.com/ Well, seeing as how the second URL is techincally invalid, I wouldn't worry too much about it. :) -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-17 18:49 ` William Perry @ 1996-07-17 19:10 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-07-17 19:43 ` Kai Grossjohann 1996-07-18 13:40 ` Richard Pieri 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-07-17 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "WP" == William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes: >> go to either http://www.altavista.com/ or http:/dejanews.com/ WP> Well, seeing as how the second URL is techincally invalid, I wouldn't WP> worry too much about it. :) Really? I thought it would refer to the directory `dejanews.com' located in the root of the local machine. I suspect it was a typo from Karl's side anyway. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-17 19:10 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-07-17 19:43 ` Kai Grossjohann 1996-07-18 13:40 ` Richard Pieri 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1996-07-17 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> On 17 Jul 1996 21:10:51 +0200, Per Abrahamsen >>>>> <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> said: >>>>> "WP" == William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes: WP> Well, seeing as how the second URL is techincally invalid, I WP> wouldn't worry too much about it. :) Per> Really? I thought it would refer to the directory Per> `dejanews.com' located in the root of the local machine. AFAIK the RFC sez if the URL begins with a protocol spec it is an absolute URL. Absolute URLs must contain the host name (preceded by this // thingy). Nonetheless, some browsers seem to interpret "http:/foo" as a local URL and don't grok "/foo". kai -- Life is hard and then you die. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-17 19:10 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-07-17 19:43 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1996-07-18 13:40 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-18 13:44 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-18 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: PA> Really? I thought it would refer to the directory `dejanews.com' PA> located in the root of the local machine. Really; a local file or directory URL looks like this: <URL:file://dejanews.com/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMe4+tJ6VRH7BJMxHAQErHgP+KhjMaErABUHV5uIhW4W4gNNm6ld9swHe yYH1r+CWdHux5Xt7gFJoDIJTXAEZ2q+FQhW8fsz+gpInCuHPWthqqCNHtnbTsytu kM6DES35BN/hBFRJC5RJTL7fcZdL83l/e78sHm97JZjsQcudGnYmpoGkDLA6WcuA YSjOyhYIpTs= =66+0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Climb your way to the top; that's why the <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> \ drapes are there. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-18 13:40 ` Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-18 13:44 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen 1996-07-18 14:06 ` Greg Thompson 1996-07-18 14:08 ` Per Abrahamsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1996-07-18 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes: > >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: > > PA> Really? I thought it would refer to the directory `dejanews.com' > PA> located in the root of the local machine. > > Really; a local file or directory URL looks like this: > <URL:file://dejanews.com/> Hmm, a _local_ file would be <URL:file:/dejanews.com> which indeed is as Per describes it. Picking nits, -- Lars Balker Rasmussen <URL:http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~gnort/> <URL:mailto:lars@rasmussen.org> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-18 13:40 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-18 13:44 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1996-07-18 14:06 ` Greg Thompson 1996-07-18 14:08 ` Per Abrahamsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Greg Thompson @ 1996-07-18 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) >"RP" == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes: >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: PA> Really? I thought it would refer to the directory `dejanews.com' PA> located in the root of the local machine. RP> Really; a local file or directory URL looks like this: RP> <URL:file://dejanews.com/> that's one form. other valid file urls are: <URL:file://localhost/dir/file> this one is valid on any machine <URL:file:///dir/file> this one is to be treated the same as localhost <URL:file://dejagnus.com/dir/file> this one is only valid if you're on the machine dejagnus.com, otherwise you can't access it. from rfc1738: 3.10 FILES The file URL scheme is used to designate files accessible on a particular host computer. This scheme, unlike most other URL schemes, does not designate a resource that is universally accessible over the Internet. A file URL takes the form: file://<host>/<path> where <host> is the fully qualified domain name of the system on which the <path> is accessible, and <path> is a hierarchical directory path of the form <directory>/<directory>/.../<name>. For example, a VMS file DISK$USER:[MY.NOTES]NOTE123456.TXT might become <URL:file://vms.host.edu/disk$user/my/notes/note12345.txt> As a special case, <host> can be the string "localhost" or the empty string; this is interpreted as `the machine from which the URL is being interpreted'. The file URL scheme is unusual in that it does not specify an Internet protocol or access method for such files; as such, its utility in network protocols between hosts is limited. -- -greg woke up depressed i left for work you have a good day -soundgarden ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-18 13:40 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-18 13:44 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen 1996-07-18 14:06 ` Greg Thompson @ 1996-07-18 14:08 ` Per Abrahamsen 1996-07-18 17:20 ` Richard Pieri 2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-07-18 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: PA> Really? I thought it would refer to the directory `dejanews.com' PA> located in the root of the local machine. >>>>> "RP" == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes: RP> Really; a local file or directory URL looks like this: RP> <URL:file://dejanews.com/> I meant the root of the current http server, i.e. local compared to the current document) . Like this This page is hosted by <a href="http:/index.html">foobar</a>. Works for me, but that might be an Netscape bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-18 14:08 ` Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-07-18 17:20 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-18 19:37 ` Greg Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-18 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: PA> I meant the root of the current http server, i.e. local compared to PA> the current document) . Like this You mean a relative document reference. Those are properly set up like this: for an absolute local reference: <a href="/home/ratinox/Bookmarks.html">...</a> and for a relative local reference: <a href="Bookmarks.html">...</a> with no lookup type. Neither of these are valid URLs, though they are valid HTML. URLs are unambiguous, human-readable addresses. A valid URL has this format: The URL specifier "<URL" at the beginning of the line The type of lookup The colon-slash-slash delimiter A host name (should be fully qualified) Optionally a colon and port number A slash delimiter Optionally a directory path or path to file. If a directory then there must be a trailing slash. The URL closure ">" and nothing else on the line. And yes, I know, my .sig does not contain a valid URL. Sue me :). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMe5yZZ6VRH7BJMxHAQHmOgP/RHpv23Cpn0Rkocqt29/xgwcLX9C4UfUV +AeH1iQjoo2BkBDqQl9jrpdHulnAc7tVZ+YHHEzHXQkJ84k759srLKyF6I3lxu1W MDjSR/I33aIREi4mzwraBoFmaA4ViGu8tUWe8bFbg54un5XDe5pq9KAr5LkoB9sK NoISc4CcTO0= =V09q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When in doubt, cop an attitude. -A cat's <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> \ guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-18 17:20 ` Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-18 19:37 ` Greg Thompson 1996-07-19 14:17 ` Richard Pieri 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Greg Thompson @ 1996-07-18 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw) >"RP" == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes: RP> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes: PA> I meant the root of the current http server, i.e. local compared to PA> the current document) . Like this RP> You mean a relative document reference. Those are properly set RP> up like this: RP> for an absolute local reference: RP> <a href="/home/ratinox/Bookmarks.html">...</a> RP> and for a relative local reference: RP> <a href="Bookmarks.html">...</a> RP> with no lookup type. RP> Neither of these are valid URLs, though they are valid HTML. RP> URLs are unambiguous, human-readable addresses. A valid URL has RP> this format: RP> The URL specifier "<URL" at the beginning of the line RP> The type of lookup RP> The colon-slash-slash delimiter RP> A host name (should be fully qualified) RP> Optionally a colon and port number RP> A slash delimiter RP> Optionally a directory path or path to file. If a RP> directory then there must be a trailing slash. RP> The URL closure ">" and nothing else on the line. this is not true. <URL:> has nothing to do with proper url syntax. it has become common convention when embedding a url in a piece of mail or something, but a url does not need that stuff around it. it sounds like you are describing a convention for putting a url in a message, not the proper syntax of a url. -- -greg a fire in its heart will not let it die. it roars + fumes + cries all day. shoot me out the sky. pop! pop! down goes the enemy -rodan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-18 19:37 ` Greg Thompson @ 1996-07-19 14:17 ` Richard Pieri 1996-07-19 20:24 ` Steven L Baur 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-19 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "GT" == Greg Thompson <gregt@visix.com> writes: GT> this is not true. <URL:> has nothing to do with proper url syntax. GT> it has become common convention when embedding a url in a piece of GT> mail or something, but a url does not need that stuff around it. it GT> sounds like you are describing a convention for putting a url in a GT> message, not the proper syntax of a url. Check the RFCs (1738?), because what I describe is exactly the standard for placing a URL in a human-readable document, which is what we are dealing with. Without the '<URL:...>' wrapper, a URL in such a document is not considered valid; it has not been properly delimited. Therefore, the proper format for specifying a generic file is <URL:file://hostname/path/to/file> Yes, I goofed last time up; the hostname is not optional. For a local file, the hostname part may be 'localhost'. And a minor correction. Usernames and passwords may appear in a URL, like this: <URL:ftp://foo:bar@ftp.baz.com/path/to/file> They are, of course, optional. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMe+ZFZ6VRH7BJMxHAQEgmwP+MTrGhz2Cf2svOfnCSHZyRWzh5A9yRX3c /T8PByeZj56I1+OVvQjS+cCmG/JCIdq2wjZscipo3/c4I47N9g9pGggZJDNKfs5X u580lB+CXhJpjTHT/P6eWd3igAFQAakgVkX0ESrt0V8G9PbteuOeFuZz1uNVd6q7 VmytNroDTIM= =PxiU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ If you're not receiving enough attention, <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> \ try knocking over some very expensive http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ antique lamps. -A cat's guide to life ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: still one smiley glitch 1996-07-19 14:17 ` Richard Pieri @ 1996-07-19 20:24 ` Steven L Baur 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Steven L Baur @ 1996-07-19 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes: >>>>> "GT" == Greg Thompson <gregt@visix.com> writes: GT> this is not true. <URL:> has nothing to do with proper url syntax. GT> it has become common convention when embedding a url in a piece of GT> mail or something, but a url does not need that stuff around it. it GT> sounds like you are describing a convention for putting a url in a GT> message, not the proper syntax of a url. Richard> Check the RFCs (1738?), because what I describe is exactly Richard> the standard for placing a URL in a human-readable document, Richard> which is what we are dealing with. Without the '<URL:...>' Richard> wrapper, a URL in such a document is not considered valid; it Richard> has not been properly delimited. RFC 1808 deals with relative URLs RFC 1738 deals with absolute URLs APPENDIX: Recommendations for URLs in Context URIs, including URLs, are intended to be transmitted through protocols which provide a context for their interpretation. In some cases, it will be necessary to distinguish URLs from other possible data structures in a syntactic structure. In this case, is recommended that URLs be preceeded with a prefix consisting of the characters "URL:". For example, this prefix may be used to distinguish URLs from other kinds of URIs. In addition, there are many occasions when URLs are included in other kinds of text; examples include electronic mail, USENET news messages, or printed on paper. In such cases, it is convenient to have a separate syntactic wrapper that delimits the URL and separates it from the rest of the text, and in particular from punctuation marks that might be mistaken for part of the URL. For this purpose, is recommended that angle brackets ("<" and ">"), along with the prefix "URL:", be used to delimit the boundaries of the URL. This wrapper does not form part of the URL and should not be used in contexts in which delimiters are already specified. In the case where a fragment/anchor identifier is associated with a URL (following a "#"), the identifier would be placed within the brackets as well. In some cases, extra whitespace (spaces, linebreaks, tabs, etc.) may need to be added to break long URLs across lines. The whitespace should be ignored when extracting the URL. -- steve@miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be proofread for $250/hour. Andrea Seastrand: For your vote on the Telecom bill, I will vote for anyone except you in November. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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