Gnus Couture

Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Well, winter is approaching, so perhaps I should start doing something
about those Gnus college sweatshirts?  

I've now made a preliminary schetch of the image on the back of the
shirt.  It's a biiig gnu with a smaller legend that reads:

Member of the Gnus Development Team
Red Gnus
People's Democratic Newsreader

I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
Anobody got any ideas?

I should probably reverse the r's and n's to make it look more
Russian-like. 

This sweatshirt will be limited to people on the ding mailing list
only, and will be the only Red Gnus merchandice, I guess.  The price
will be approx. USD 30.

<URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus/t-shirt/back.ps>

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Re: Gnus Couture

[H}vard Fosseng]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

> Member of the Gnus Development Team
> Red Gnus
> People's Democratic Newsreader
>
> I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
> Anobody got any ideas?

How about "soviet"? As far as I remember, it means "council".



Håvard Fosseng

Re: Gnus Couture

[William Perry]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
>Well, winter is approaching, so perhaps I should start doing something
>about those Gnus college sweatshirts?  
>
>I've now made a preliminary schetch of the image on the back of the
>shirt.  It's a biiig gnu with a smaller legend that reads:
>
>Member of the Gnus Development Team
>Red Gnus
>People's Democratic Newsreader
>
>I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
>Anobody got any ideas?

  How about 'Party' or 'Republic'?

>This sweatshirt will be limited to people on the ding mailing list
>only, and will be the only Red Gnus merchandice, I guess.  The price
>will be approx. USD 30.

  Could I request an option to buy an XXXL for slightly more?  My september
gnus tshirt wasn't 100% wearable.  *sigh*  Having big shoulders sucks.  I
knew I shouldn't have worked on the farm so long.  :)

-Bill P.

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lance A. Brown]

William Perry  writes:

>   Could I request an option to buy an XXXL for slightly more?  My september
> gnus tshirt wasn't 100% wearable.  *sigh*  Having big shoulders sucks.  I
> knew I shouldn't have worked on the farm so long.  :)

I'll second that motion!

--[Lance]

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:

>   Could I request an option to buy an XXXL for slightly more?

The biggest was XXL, I'm afraid -- and it isn't an overly huge XXL
either. 

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Re: Gnus Couture

[William Perry]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
>William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:
>
>>   Could I request an option to buy an XXXL for slightly more?
>
>The biggest was XXL, I'm afraid -- and it isn't an overly huge XXL
>either. 

  Hmmmm... might be worth it as an xmas gift.  Or I could get a small and
my son could wear it. :)  Think it would fit a kid slightly over 3 feet
tall?   My wife would _kill_ me.

-Bill P.

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:

>   Hmmmm... might be worth it as an xmas gift.  Or I could get a small and
> my son could wear it. :)  Think it would fit a kid slightly over 3 feet
> tall? 

The smallest is Medium, which is probably much too big, I would
think. 

>  My wife would _kill_ me.

She doesn't like Gnus?  *pout*  

:-)

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Re: Gnus Couture

[William Perry]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:
>William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:
>
>>   Hmmmm... might be worth it as an xmas gift.  Or I could get a small and
>> my son could wear it. :)  Think it would fit a kid slightly over 3 feet
>> tall? 
>
>The smallest is Medium, which is probably much too big, I would
>think. 

  You'd have to meet my son.  :)  He's only 17 months old & 1 meter
already.

>>  My wife would _kill_ me.
>
>She doesn't like Gnus?  *pout*  
>
>:-)

  Doesn't want me corrupting our son. :)  Doesn't like it when I play quake
or try to get him to say emacs either.  I snuck 'coke' in there though.

-bp

Re: Gnus Couture

[Hans de Graaff]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Well, winter is approaching, so perhaps I should start doing something
> about those Gnus college sweatshirts?  

Yes!

> I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
> Anobody got any ideas?

Commune?

> This sweatshirt will be limited to people on the ding mailing list
> only, and will be the only Red Gnus merchandice, I guess.  The price
> will be approx. USD 30.

What colors were you thinking about? (The Gnus will be Red, obviously)

Hans

Re: Gnus Couture

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Hans de Graaff <J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl>:

> What colors were you thinking about? (The Gnus will be Red, obviously)

I see only three possibilities:
 - red writing on black
 - black writing on red
 - gold writing on red (with a couple of hammers and sicles thrown in
   for good measure)

Da!  Korosho!  Davai!


- Steinar

Re: Gnus Couture

[John Griffith]

LMI> I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
LMI> Anobody got any ideas?

How about "collective", "commune", "coop", "cooperative" ...

It's nice that they all begin with a "c".  I can kinda see the "c"
being the blade of a sickle with a little hammer crossing it.

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

John Griffith <griffith@sfs.nphil.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

> How about "collective", "commune", "coop", "cooperative" ...

How about:

Ministry of Development Worker

Uhm.  

Gnus Developer's Guild Member

Hm.  

Development Soviet Worker no. 23

Ahm.  These things are *difficult*.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

>>>>> "John" == John Griffith <griffith@sfs.nphil.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
John> How about "collective", "commune", "coop", "cooperative" ...

Lars> How about:

Lars> Gnus Developer's Guild Member

Lars> Hm.  

I liked `team', but this is not a bad replacement.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:

> Ministry of Development Worker

Da...

> Gnus Developer's Guild Member

Nyet!

> Development Soviet Worker no. 23

Da, tovarisch!  *Da*!!

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

> >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:
> 
> > Ministry of Development Worker
> 
> Da...

But that "Worker" doesn't really seem to fit.

Ministry of Development and Reeducation

> > Development Soviet Worker no. 23
> 
> Da, tovarisch!  *Da*!!

We would all be the same number, which is a feature.  :-)

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
|
| > > Development Soviet Worker no. 23
| > 
| > Da, tovarisch!  *Da*!!
| 
| We would all be the same number, which is a feature.  :-)

Uhm.. would 42 instead of 23 be too.. uhm.. well.. nerdish.. enuff?

	/Andy

Re: Gnus Couture

[Richard Pieri]

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>>>>> "AE" == Andy Eskilsson <flognat@fukt.hk-r.se> writes:

AE> Uhm.. would 42 instead of 23 be too.. uhm.. well.. nerdish.. enuff?

No.  42 is mainstream; 23 is Discordant.  Law of Fives, and all.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Darren/Torin/Who Ever...]

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Andy Eskilsson, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>|
>| > > Development Soviet Worker no. 23
>| > 
>| > Da, tovarisch!  *Da*!!
>| 
>| We would all be the same number, which is a feature.  :-)

I like this a lot...

>Uhm.. would 42 instead of 23 be too.. uhm.. well.. nerdish.. enuff?

42 is too passe'.  Any way, 23 ties into Gnus 5...

Darren
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Re: Gnus Couture

[Justin Sheehy]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:
>> >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:
>> 
>> > Development Soviet Worker no. 23
>> 
>> Da, tovarisch!  *Da*!!

Lars> We would all be the same number, which is a feature.  :-)

Da!

I cast my vote for this one...

-Justin

Re: Gnus Couture

[C. R. Oldham]

On 8 Oct 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Well, winter is approaching, so perhaps I should start doing something
> about those Gnus college sweatshirts?  

[...]

> I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
> Anobody got any ideas?

crew
company
squad
contingent
corps

(from the MS-Word thesaurus).

I like "squad" or "corps" myself.

Also, will the motto "In a cloud, bones of steel"  be on the shirt?

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"C. R. Oldham" <cro@nca.asu.edu> writes:

> Also, will the motto "In a cloud, bones of steel"  be on the shirt?

No, I think I'll save that for the Mamey Sapote t-shirt.  :-)

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Lance A. Brown]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  writes:

> I've now made a preliminary schetch of the image on the back of the
> shirt.  It's a biiig gnu with a smaller legend that reads:

I *LIKE* the sketch!

> Member of the Gnus Development Team
> Red Gnus
> People's Democratic Newsreader

> I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
> Anobody got any ideas?

Lets see, the Wordserver suggested a whole pile of synonyms:

party, faction, side, solidarity, brotherhood, guild, company, cohort
are a few. :-)

--[Lance]

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Lance A. Brown" <labrown@splat.niehs.nih.gov> writes:

> party, faction, side, solidarity, brotherhood, guild, company, cohort
> are a few. :-)

% Gnus Delevopment Guild Member
% Member of the Development Team
% Gnus Reeducation Camp Survivor
% Gnus Development Cadre Member
% Ministry of Development Worker

I kinda like "Gnus Development Cadre", but it needs an extra word to
be of the right length...

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Richard Pieri]

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>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

LMI> I kinda like "Gnus Development Cadre", but it needs an extra word
LMI> to be of the right length...

It got mentioned once and nobody ran with it, but I like "The Red Gnus
Soviet" myself.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

> LMI> I kinda like "Gnus Development Cadre", but it needs an extra word
> LMI> to be of the right length...
> 
> It got mentioned once and nobody ran with it, but I like "The Red Gnus
> Soviet" myself.

It says "Red Gnus" in big letters below this line, so that would mean
repeating oneself...

Development and Reeducation Cadre

is of the approprite length.  Hm.

What font would be best here? Something that looks like a Russian
1920's font?  It would be a small caps font, I guess, but the ones
I've tried don't look quite right.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Richard Pieri]

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>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

>> It got mentioned once and nobody ran with it, but I like "The Red
>> Gnus Soviet" myself.
LMI> It says "Red Gnus" in big letters below this line, so that would
LMI> mean repeating oneself...

And the "Republic" in "Union of Soviet Socialists Republic" is not? :).

Hrm... how about "Soviet Socialist Republic of Gnus" :).  We could even
put "CCPG" on there somewhere :).

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Brent B. Powers]

Richard Pieri writes:
 > From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
 > To: ding@ifi.uio.no
 > Subject: Re: Gnus Couture
 > Date: 10 Oct 1996 11:04:52 -0400
 > 
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 > 
 > >>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
 > 
 > >> It got mentioned once and nobody ran with it, but I like "The Red
 > >> Gnus Soviet" myself.
 > LMI> It says "Red Gnus" in big letters below this line, so that would
 > LMI> mean repeating oneself...
 > 
 > And the "Republic" in "Union of Soviet Socialists Republic" is not? :).

<Quibble>
Actually, that's "Union of Soviet Socialist  Republics" and so it
					   ^	     ^
really isn't redundant (i.e. the USSR was the union of the Soviet
Socialist Republic of Byelorussia, the Soviet Socialist Republic of
Ukrainia, the SSR of Turzekhistan, etc...)
</Quibble>

 > 
 > Hrm... how about "Soviet Socialist Republic of Gnus" :).  We could even
 > put "CCPG" on there somewhere :).
 > 

Rather than having "Staff", what about using 'Commissar'?

Re: Gnus Couture

[Per Abrahamsen]

>>>>> "RP" == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

RP> It got mentioned once and nobody ran with it, but I like "The Red Gnus
RP> Soviet" myself.

	"The Red Gnus Soviet" 

would be my second favorite if I can't get

	"Gnus Reeducation Camp Survivor"

or maybe even combine them

	"Gnus Reeducation Camp Soviet"

That would make us the nominal leaders of the camp.

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> 	"The Red Gnus Soviet" 
> 
> would be my second favorite if I can't get
> 
> 	"Gnus Reeducation Camp Survivor"

Yes, it's nice, but somewhat brutal, isn't it?

> or maybe even combine them
> 
> 	"Gnus Reeducation Camp Soviet"

"Camp Soviet" would be kinda excessive, wouldn't it?

Hm.  Is it "Re-education" or "reeducation"?

Development and Reeducation Cadre 
Development and Re-education Cadre
Gnus Re-education Camp Staff
Gnus Re-education Soviet Staff
Ministry of Development Staff

Or perhaps:

Ministry of Development and Re-education

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Colin Rafferty]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

> % Gnus Reeducation Camp Survivor

I think "Gnus Reeducation Camp Staff" would be a more appropriate
shirt.  Just ask the people in my office.

How about "Cult of Gnus Trainee".  Our new motto: "Gnus is not a cult,
it is a religion."

Really, across the front, it says "Gnus Reeducation Camp", and on the
back, it has the gnu with the word "Staff" on the top.

-- 
Colin

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:

> Really, across the front, it says "Gnus Reeducation Camp", and on the
> back, it has the gnu with the word "Staff" on the top.

:-)

If I were to print on both sides, it would cost USD 6 more per shirt,
which is a bit much, I think.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Brian Edmonds]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> I kinda like "Gnus Development Cadre", but it needs an extra word to
> be of the right length...

I'm partial to cabals, but to be a little more confusing, how about
  "Red Gnus Kabbalist League"

Brian

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

edmonds@cs.ubc.ca (Brian Edmonds) writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> > I kinda like "Gnus Development Cadre", but it needs an extra word to
> > be of the right length...
> 
> I'm partial to cabals, but to be a little more confusing, how about
>   "Red Gnus Kabbalist League"

"Gnus Kabbalist Development Cadre"?

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Re: Gnus Couture

[luis fernandes]

Completely unrelated to Communism... how about:

		"Red Barons"

Re: Gnus Couture

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>:

> edmonds@cs.ubc.ca (Brian Edmonds) writes:
>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>> > I kinda like "Gnus Development Cadre", but it needs an extra word to
>> > be of the right length...
>> 
>> I'm partial to cabals, but to be a little more confusing, how about
>> "Red Gnus Kabbalist League"

> "Gnus Kabbalist Development Cadre"?

Nonono!  Not for Red Gnus!  Go with the Soviet look.  Gimme Hammers!
Gimme Sickles!  No Kabbalists in there, please.

Re: Gnus Couture

[Richard Hoskins]

Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

> Nonono!  Not for Red Gnus!  Go with the Soviet look.  Gimme Hammers!
> Gimme Sickles!  No Kabbalists in there, please.

Red Gnus Soyuz

Re: Gnus Couture

[Eric Hendrickson]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Member of the Gnus Development Team
> Red Gnus
> People's Democratic Newsreader
> 
> I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
> Anobody got any ideas?

How about ``cadre''?

cad-re \'kad-re^-, 'ka^:d-, -,ra^-\
[F, fr. It quadro, fr. L quadrum square -- more at QUARREL]
1: FRAME, FRAMEWORK
2: a nucleus or  core group esp. of trained personnel able to assume
     control and to train others
3a: a cell of indoctrinated leaders active in promoting the interests
     of a revolutionary party
3b: a member of a cadre, esp. a political cadre 

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Per Abrahamsen]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Member of the Gnus Development Team

I don't like this, it makes it sound like you didn't do practically
all the work.  Something to the effect of

	Participated in the Gnus Reeducation Camp

would make me feel more comfortable.

Another thought:  I'd be more fun to wear merchandise for the next
version of Gnus, rather than the previous version.  Not that I want
you to stop the Red Couture, mind you.

Re: Gnus Couture

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> > Member of the Gnus Development Team
> 
> I don't like this, it makes it sound like you didn't do practically
> all the work. 

But I didn't do practically all the work.  I mean, I generate most of
the code, but that's only half the job.  All the boring testing and
much of the fixing is done by people on this mailing list.  If I were
to do development "properly" -- regression testing and stuff -- I
wouldn't be able to produce one fourth of the feetchers I do now...

> Another thought:  I'd be more fun to wear merchandise for the next
> version of Gnus, rather than the previous version.  Not that I want
> you to stop the Red Couture, mind you.

There will still be about one month left of the Red cycle when the
shirts ship, I think.

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Re: Gnus Couture

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
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| Member of the Gnus Development Team
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| I don't like the word "team" -- it sounds so, well, team-like.
| Anobody got any ideas?

Comradship, five-year plan?

	/Andy
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Re: Gnus Couture

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
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| Well, winter is approaching, so perhaps I should start doing something
| about those Gnus college sweatshirts?  

Dates.. maybe the dates from the first Red Gnus to it's releas some
kind of 'World Tour'or 'Version Tour'in the background.. 

0.1 26/7
0.2 27/7
.
.
0.49 31/9

Hmm maybe for next 'version'.

	/andy

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