Japanese names & alphabetization

Japanese names & alphabetization

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I never seem to be able to remember how to alphabetizise Japanese
names.  The family name is the first name, isn't it?  But I also seem
to remember that some people write the family names last to avoid
confusing us stupid furriners, which is really confusing.  

These are the five names from the "Contributors" section of the manual
I'm not sure about:

Ishikawa Ichiro,
Morioka Tomohiko,
Masaharu Onishi,
Hideki Ono,
Katsumi Yamaoka.

Could someone who knows about these things tell me which are the
family names?

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

Lars> Could someone who knows about these things tell me which are the
Lars> family names?

Lars> Ishikawa Ichiro,
Lars> Morioka Tomohiko,
Lars> Masaharu Onishi,
Lars> Hideki Ono,
Lars> Katsumi Yamaoka.

My guess is that "Ishikawa", "Morioka", "Onishi", "Ono", and "Yamaoka"
are the family names.
-- 
Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@ga.sony.co.jp>

Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[Richard Pieri]

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>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

LMI> I never seem to be able to remember how to alphabetizise Japanese
LMI> names.  The family name is the first name, isn't it?

The convention is to follow the conventions of the language being used.
When speaking or writing Japanese -- even with "romaji" -- the family
name comes first; when speaking or writing in the "Western" langauges
the given name comes first.

LMI> Ishikawa Ichiro,
LMI> Morioka Tomohiko,
LMI> Masaharu Onishi,
LMI> Hideki Ono,
LMI> Katsumi Yamaoka.

LMI> Could someone who knows about these things tell me which are the
LMI> family names?

My best guess... Ishikawa, Morioka, Onishi, Ono, Yamaoka.

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Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

> The convention is to follow the conventions of the language being used.
> When speaking or writing Japanese -- even with "romaji" -- the family
> name comes first; when speaking or writing in the "Western" langauges
> the given name comes first.

So they cater to broken behavior?  :-)

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     would have to wait until some other time."

Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[Richard Pieri]

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>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

LMI> So they cater to broken behavior?  :-)

Is a convention that works considered broken? :)

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Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

Richard> Is a convention that works considered broken? :)

Three examples:

The US System of weights and measures.

The Gregorian Calendar.

Daylight Savings Time.

'Nuf said?
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Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[luis fernandes]

>>>>> "steve" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

    > Three examples:

    > The US System of weights and measures.

    > The Gregorian Calendar.

    > Daylight Savings Time.

Microsoft.

Re: Japanese names & alphabetization

[Carsten Leonhardt]

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>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> Could someone who knows about these things tell me which are the
Lars> family names?

This is from Tomohiko's signature:

> (`Morioka' is my family name, `Tomohiko' is my personal name.)

Bye,
  Leo

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