From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/11650 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rajappa Iyer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? Date: 14 Jul 1997 14:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199707141848.OAA27993@placebo.hr.lucent.com> References: Reply-To: rsi@lucent.com NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035151325 31659 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:02:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21273 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:08:08 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15236 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:04:43 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:22:04 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 5044 invoked by uid 504); 15 Jul 1997 17:22:02 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 5041 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1997 17:22:02 -0000 Original-Received: from algw2.lucent.com (205.147.213.2) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1997 17:22:01 -0000 Original-Received: from placebo.hr.lucent.com by alig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id OAA08631; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: (from rsi@localhost) by placebo.hr.lucent.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27993; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Jason R Mastaler X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.63/XEmacs 20.2 Original-Lines: 91 Original-Xref: altair.xemacs.org dgnus-list:2040 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:11650 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:11650 [ This is getting a little off-topic, but... ;-) ] Jason R Mastaler writes: > Justin Sheehy writes: > > > I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly > > tea-drinkers... > > "Tea, though ridiculed by those who are naturally coarse > in their nervous sensibilities...will always be the favored > beverage of the intellectual." > > Thomas DeQuincey (1775--1859) > Confessions of an English Opium Eater >>From an old article: [begin excerpt] Subject: Re: Public Space (was Re: The Conscience of the Eye) From: rosebowl@nwu.edu (Cognito Jones) Date: 1996/11/15 Message-Id: Newsgroups: rec.arts.books In article <56ik2k$r6c@jeeves.usfca.edu>, jennifer@web.usfca.edu (jennifer) wrote: > another obbook: _Communitas_ > jennifer Two others - Jane Jacobs, Life & Death of Great Cities (from memory - is that title right?) has a good discussion of public spaces. And there is a book called The Great Good Place that deals with the subject. Includes coffeehouses, and was my first exposure to the Women's Petition Against Coffee...The book, by Ray Oldenburg, prof of psychology & contributor to Psychology Today, is about "third places," ie, gathering places outside home & work. He devotes a chapter to coffee houses, and refers to the Petition as follows: : One of the most important of coffee house rules was : *not* posted. Women were excluded from the : premises...Scarcely two decades after it first : appeared and emerged as exclusively male [late 1600s : in England], the coffee house became the target of The : Women's Petition Against Coffee.... : : Until recently the language of the Women's Petition : was considered to be so obscene and vulgar as to : preclude its printing....Five of those ten : paragraphs....made the claim that the "base, black, : thick, nasty bitter stinking, nauseous Puddle water" : causes impotence in the male. Contending that : Englishment were once justly esteemed the "Ablest : Performers" in Christendom, the document proclaimed a : new & deplorable state of affairs as brought about by : coffee: : : But to our unspeakable Grief, we find of late a very : sensible *Decay* of that true *Old English Viguor*; our : Gallants being every was so *Frenchified*, that they : are become meer Cock-sparrows, fluttering things that : come *Sa fa*, with a world of Fury, but are not able : to *stand* to it, and in the very first Charge fall : down *flat* before us. Never did Men wear greater : Breeches, or carry less in them of any Mettle : whatsoever. (The following excerpt from the "Women's Petition Against Coffee" appears in Ray, O. & Ksir, C. _Drugs, Society, and Human Behavior,_ fifth edition, page 216. The reference is to Meyer, H: Old English coffee houses, Emmaus, PA, 1954: The Rodale Press.) "Our Countrymens pallates are become as _Fanatical_ as their Brains; how else is't possible they should _Apostatize_ from the good old primitive way of Ale-drinking, to run a _Whoreing_ after such variety of distructive Foreign Liquors, to trifle away their time, scald their _Chops,_ and spend their _Money,_ all for a little _base,_ _black,_ _thick,_ _nasty_ _bitter_ stinking,_ _nauseaous_ Puddle water..." Hope this stirs things up.... CJ [end excerpt] ;-) -- Rajappa Iyer #include They also surf who only stand on the waves.