* Mail-Copies-To: (was Re: Crash in realloc trying to use ImageMagick) [not found] ` <qyjwwi22wm7.fsf@metheny.enst.fr> @ 1997-11-28 7:12 ` SL Baur 1997-11-28 22:33 ` Olivier Galibert 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: SL Baur @ 1997-11-28 7:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding [I've cc'ed this response to the Gnus devel list. Is there any progress on getting Mail-Copies-To: on the standards track? Please direct followups to the appropriate mailing list.] Didier Verna <verna@inf.enst.fr> writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: >> By the way, Bill, are you a "Mail-Copies-To: never" kind of guy? It's >> not in your headers, so I thought I'd ask.... > I'm sorry but won't somebody explain to me what is this header > for ? Remeber, I'm a very very dumb french blond and I've not been > here for long .... If you trust advice from a California, USA born blonde (the dumbest of all ...) ... The `Mail-Copies-To:' header should control how your email (and Usenet) client prepares a followup message. It gives control to the sender of a message whether `courtesy' duplicate copies of messages should be sent. M-x praise-be-unto-lars for implementing it. There are two forms: Mail-Copies-To: never Do *not* automatically include the sender of the message being responded to. There are two canonical examples. Usenet: From: foo@foo.bar Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs Mail-Copies-To: never A followup in a conforming client should generate in the response message headers: Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs Email: From: foo@foo.bar To: mailling-list@somewhere.com Cc: luser@somewhereelse.com Mail-Copies-To: never A followup in a conforming client should generate in the response message headers: To: mailling-list@somewhere.com Cc: luser@somewhereelse.com The second form includes a properly formed RFC822 email address as the parameter: Mail-Copies-To: someaddress@somewhere.com In this case, the sender of the message is specifically requesting that responses to the message not only go to the main forum (either mailing list or Usenet newsgroup), but a duplicate copy should also be sent to `someaddress@somewhere.com'. There are (again) two canonical examples. Usenet: From: foo@foo.bar Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs Mail-Copies-To: foo@foo.bar A followup in a conforming client should generate in the response message headers: Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs Cc: foo@foo.bar[1] Email: From: foo@foo.bar To: mailling-list@somewhere.com Cc: luser@somewhereelse.com Mail-Copies-To: foo@foo.bar A followup in a conforming client should generate in the response message headers: To: mailling-list@somewhere.com Cc: luser@somewhereelse.com, foo@foo.bar[2] There is no requirement that the address in `Mail-Copies-To' match the `From' address. Footnotes: [1] Or `To: foo@foo.bar' [2] It is also acceptable to put `foo@foo.bar' in the To: line. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Mail-Copies-To: (was Re: Crash in realloc trying to use ImageMagick) 1997-11-28 7:12 ` Mail-Copies-To: (was Re: Crash in realloc trying to use ImageMagick) SL Baur @ 1997-11-28 22:33 ` Olivier Galibert 1997-12-01 15:59 ` Michael Welsh Duggan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Olivier Galibert @ 1997-11-28 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 326 bytes --] On Thu, Nov 27, 1997 at 11:12:05PM -0800, SL Baur wrote: > [I've cc'ed this response to the Gnus devel list. Is there any > progress on getting Mail-Copies-To: on the standards track? Please > direct followups to the appropriate mailing list.] You may find this message interesting (from the mutt-dev mailing-list). OG. [-- Attachment #2: mft --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 4416 bytes --] >From mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu Sat Nov 22 05:17:43 1997 Return-Path: <mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu> Received: from mines.u-nancy.fr (mines.u-nancy.fr [192.70.66.1]) by lorraine.loria.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7/8.8.7/JCG) with ESMTP id FAA26565 for <galibert@loria.fr>; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:17:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from turing.cs.hmc.edu (turing.cs.hmc.edu [134.173.42.99]) by mines.u-nancy.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04187 for <Olivier.Galibert@mines.u-nancy.fr>; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:18:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from me@localhost) by turing.cs.hmc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA26931; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:14:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: turing.cs.hmc.edu: me set sender to mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu using -f Old-Return-Path: esr@snark.thyrsus.com Message-ID: <19971121232148.14011@snark.thyrsus.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:21:48 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com> To: Michael Elkins <me@cs.hmc.edu> Cc: Mutt Development List <mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu> Subject: Re: [0.88.2] feature: support for Mail-Followup-To: and Mail-Reply-To: References: <19971121161806.34986@la.tis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <19971121161806.34986@la.tis.com>; from Michael Elkins on Fri, Nov 21, 1997 at 04:18:06PM -0800 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy X-Home-Page: http://www.ccil.org/~esr Resent-Message-ID: <"ilkn9D.A.KkG.Gwld0"@turing> Resent-From: mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu X-Mailing-List: <mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu> X-Loop: mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu Precedence: list Resent-Sender: mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2692 Lines: 52 Michael Elkins <me@cs.hmc.edu>: > A while back I got some private email from Dan Bernstein asking whether Mutt > would support Mail-Reply-To (http://pobox.com/~djb/proto/replyto.html). I > looked this over and decided that is a pretty good idea, but at the time I > was hesitant to support it because it is pretty useless unless someone else > supports it as well. Apparently this has beeing getting a bit of attention > in the IETF and I just found out that the next version of Eudora will suport > it as well, so I'm going ahead and including support for it now. As a member of the DRUMS group along with Dan Bernstein, I can confirm that some of us have indeed been thinking along those lines. Indeed, Jacob Palme just today submitted an Internet-Draft describing Mail-Followup-To. Jacob, the Working Group chair Chris Newman and I all regard this as complementary to my own Reply-To-Personal proposal, an early version of which I posted here and which was also submitted as an Internet-Draft just today. In fact had me week been a bit less harried Jacob and I would have issued a joint draft. While I cannot yet claim that Jacob's and my proposals reflect a strong consensus on DRUMS, the odds that something quite like them will form part of 822bis seem good to me. There is only one opposing draft, and a straw poll conducted by the DRUMS chair about a month ago suggested near-consensus on some variant of Personal-Reply-To (which can be taken to imply support for some header equivalent to Mail-Followup-To). All of which is by way of saying that I am delighted that Michael has chosen to support Mail-Followup-To and intrigued by the rumor that Eudora will soon do so. Mike, you may have just helped settle one of DRUMS's thorniest issues. Within a few days you should be able to view these drafts in the IETF drafts directory on ds.interrnic.net under the names draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt Jacob Palme's draft on the proposed Mail-Followup-To header. draft-ietf-drums-replyto-personal-00.txt My draft on Personal-Reply-To -- <a href="http://www.ccil.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> In recent years it has been suggested that the Second Amendment protects the "collective" right of states to maintain militias, while it does not protect the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms. If anyone entertained this notion in the period during which the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were debated and ratified, it remains one of the most closely guarded secrets of the eighteenth century, for no known writing surviving from the period between 1787 and 1791 states such a thesis. -- Stephen P. Halbrook, "That Every Man Be Armed", 1984 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Mail-Copies-To: (was Re: Crash in realloc trying to use ImageMagick) 1997-11-28 22:33 ` Olivier Galibert @ 1997-12-01 15:59 ` Michael Welsh Duggan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Michael Welsh Duggan @ 1997-12-01 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Olivier Galibert <Olivier.Galibert@mines.u-nancy.fr> writes: > On Thu, Nov 27, 1997 at 11:12:05PM -0800, SL Baur wrote: > > [I've cc'ed this response to the Gnus devel list. Is there any > > progress on getting Mail-Copies-To: on the standards track? Please > > direct followups to the appropriate mailing list.] > > You may find this message interesting (from the mutt-dev mailing-list). I'll assume you meant to insert the following message: From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [0.88.2] feature: support for Mail-Followup-To: and Mail-Reply-To: To: Michael Elkins <me@cs.hmc.edu> Cc: Mutt Development List <mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:21:48 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Resent-From: mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu X-From-Line: mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu Sat Nov 22 05:17:43 1997 Return-Path: <mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu> Received: from mines.u-nancy.fr (mines.u-nancy.fr [192.70.66.1]) by lorraine.loria.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7/8.8.7/JCG) with ESMTP id FAA26565 for <galibert@loria.fr>; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:17:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from turing.cs.hmc.edu (turing.cs.hmc.edu [134.173.42.99]) by mines.u-nancy.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04187 for <Olivier.Galibert@mines.u-nancy.fr>; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:18:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from me@localhost) by turing.cs.hmc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA26931; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:14:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: turing.cs.hmc.edu: me set sender to mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu using -f Old-Return-Path: esr@snark.thyrsus.com Message-ID: <19971121232148.14011@snark.thyrsus.com> References: <19971121161806.34986@la.tis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <19971121161806.34986@la.tis.com>; from Michael Elkins on Fri, Nov 21, 1997 at 04:18:06PM -0800 X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy X-Home-Page: http://www.ccil.org/~esr Resent-Message-ID: <"ilkn9D.A.KkG.Gwld0"@turing> X-Mailing-List: <mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu> X-Loop: mutt-dev@cs.hmc.edu Precedence: list Resent-Sender: mutt-dev-request@cs.hmc.edu Status: RO X-Content-Length: 2692 Xref: peoria.mt.cs.cmu.edu mail.mutt:1 Lines: 57 Michael Elkins <me@cs.hmc.edu>: > A while back I got some private email from Dan Bernstein asking whether Mutt > would support Mail-Reply-To (http://pobox.com/~djb/proto/replyto.html). I > looked this over and decided that is a pretty good idea, but at the time I > was hesitant to support it because it is pretty useless unless someone else > supports it as well. Apparently this has beeing getting a bit of attention > in the IETF and I just found out that the next version of Eudora will suport > it as well, so I'm going ahead and including support for it now. As a member of the DRUMS group along with Dan Bernstein, I can confirm that some of us have indeed been thinking along those lines. Indeed, Jacob Palme just today submitted an Internet-Draft describing Mail-Followup-To. Jacob, the Working Group chair Chris Newman and I all regard this as complementary to my own Reply-To-Personal proposal, an early version of which I posted here and which was also submitted as an Internet-Draft just today. In fact had me week been a bit less harried Jacob and I would have issued a joint draft. While I cannot yet claim that Jacob's and my proposals reflect a strong consensus on DRUMS, the odds that something quite like them will form part of 822bis seem good to me. There is only one opposing draft, and a straw poll conducted by the DRUMS chair about a month ago suggested near-consensus on some variant of Personal-Reply-To (which can be taken to imply support for some header equivalent to Mail-Followup-To). All of which is by way of saying that I am delighted that Michael has chosen to support Mail-Followup-To and intrigued by the rumor that Eudora will soon do so. Mike, you may have just helped settle one of DRUMS's thorniest issues. Within a few days you should be able to view these drafts in the IETF drafts directory on ds.interrnic.net under the names draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt Jacob Palme's draft on the proposed Mail-Followup-To header. draft-ietf-drums-replyto-personal-00.txt My draft on Personal-Reply-To -- <a href="http://www.ccil.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a> In recent years it has been suggested that the Second Amendment protects the "collective" right of states to maintain militias, while it does not protect the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms. If anyone entertained this notion in the period during which the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were debated and ratified, it remains one of the most closely guarded secrets of the eighteenth century, for no known writing surviving from the period between 1787 and 1791 states such a thesis. -- Stephen P. Halbrook, "That Every Man Be Armed", 1984 --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- -- Michael Duggan (md5i@cs.cmu.edu) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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