From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13426 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Moreno Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: [John Moreno ] Re: GNKSA and Gnus Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 17:27:19 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <199801042226.RAA21822@mail.interpath.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152796 9256 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:26:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Karl-Johan Noren" Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29088 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:42:30 -0800 Original-Received: from farabi.hpc.uh.edu (farabi.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06982 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:42:56 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@[10.1.1.1]) by farabi.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAN16257; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:35:10 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:27:16 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01985 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:27:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 29886 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jan 1998 22:26:58 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 29883 invoked from network); 4 Jan 1998 22:26:58 -0000 Original-Received: from mail.interpath.net (199.72.1.13) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 1998 22:26:58 -0000 Original-Received: from [199.72.206.189] (roxboro-189.interpath.net [199.72.206.189]) by mail.interpath.net (8.8.8/v1.0) with SMTP id RAA21822; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:26:20 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0 x49, February 10, 1997 Original-To: "Russ Allbery" , Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13426 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13426 Russ Allbery wrote: > John Moreno writes: >> Also note that this should allow any one message to have references >> going back between 30-40 messages. > >Assuming airnews or Pine message IDs, about 15-20 is more accurate. But >threading becomes easier the fuller the References header is. True on both counts, but is 10-20 messages in between needing to resample the header a excessively low number? I frequently see (although not as frequently as messages with no refs) messages with only 1 item, which is ALLOWED under 1036. I also know of several threads with plenty of traffic which have been going on for months - the references header in these messages if including every single message-id would be in the 10s or 100s of k range. It's got to be snipped sometime, ~1k seems like a good enough place to me. >> I'm sorry to hear that - if you have fixed 16c then the only thing >> that's out of place is 7c and this can result in either the users server >> not accepting the article or other servers not propagating their >> messages. > >I find this highly unlikely, but I'm willing to be convinced that I'm >wrong if you have some evidence to support this statement. I have anecdotal evidence only - I have talked to people who have had their articles rejected from their servers for exactly this reason (long headers) and upon examination it was the references header which was the problem (and one case where it wasn't the references header it was instead the fact that the last header field was missing a cr and so the server thought part of the body was part of the header). I'll admit that I don't have any evidence of servers not passing along messages because of this. I'll also admit that upon testing it was possible to get the messages posted even with the long header if the header was wrapped using the "cr space" format. -- John Moreno