From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13468 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Moreno Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: [John Moreno ] Re: GNKSA and Gnus Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 02:07:25 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <199801060706.CAA21060@mail.interpath.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152829 9434 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:27:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Karl-Johan Noren" Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03893 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:59:24 -0800 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28509 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:59:42 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAN02355; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:47:52 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 Jan 1998 01:07:38 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA28752 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:07:22 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 6673 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jan 1998 07:07:10 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 6670 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 07:07:10 -0000 Original-Received: from mail.interpath.net (199.72.1.13) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 07:07:10 -0000 Original-Received: from [199.72.206.174] (roxboro-174.interpath.net [199.72.206.174]) by mail.interpath.net (8.8.8/v1.0) with SMTP id CAA21060; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:06:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0 x49, February 10, 1997 Original-To: "Russ Allbery" , Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13468 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13468 [Getting back to this a little latter] Russ Allbery wrote: >Furthermore, should Gnus comply with 7c, it would be in *violation* of >what's likely to become the new news standard, given that it will almost >certainly be recommended that References *never* be truncated if it can be >avoided. Are you talking about the USEFOR list and Simon Lyall's last proposal (Draft 0.6 References)? If so then no, they would probably be implemented differently but they don't have to be. The GNKSA isn't as strict as the USEFOR proposal but they don't conflict - a program that is compliant with the USEFOR draft can be compliant with the GNKSA. Also (and this is something I should probably forward to USEFOR) Simon's proposal allows agents to keep just 6 references, which IMO will result in agents doing just that. I prefer the 1-3 rule and not to truncate before 998 - but a 3-3 rule and not to truncate before 998 would be just fine. It'd cause the GNKSA to be out of sync but I imagine if the USEFOR draft is ever finished that the GNKSA will be updated. Before replying to this I read all of the USEFOR messages with References in the body - and there's something which I think has been missed out on: In the case of the References header the MINIMUM is probably going to be the defacto MAXIMUM. Not in the sense as some people seem worried about (not being able to handle longer without crashing) but, but in the sense that this is going to be the type of output newsreaders are going to do. -- John Moreno