From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74742 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vegard Vesterheim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: elp-wrapper sneaking into .newsrc.eld Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:33:50 +0100 Organization: UNINETT. Message-ID: <1sr5dvp7nl.fsf@voll.uninett.no> References: <874oarhp3v.fsf@uwo.ca> <87mxojx4ky.fsf@uwo.ca> <87tyir2404.fsf@uwo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291628072 17718 80.91.229.12 (6 Dec 2010 09:34:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:34:32 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23098@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Dec 06 10:34:29 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PPXSl-0008IW-79 for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:34:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PPXSO-0002VD-AB; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:34:04 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PPXSM-0002V2-Oc for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:34:02 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PPXSB-000583-OF for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:34:02 -0600 Original-Received: from regensburg.uninett.no ([158.38.180.100]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1PPXSB-0006Ts-00 for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:33:51 +0100 Original-Received: from voll.uninett.no (voll.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:0:21a:a0ff:fee1:2782]) by regensburg.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8015F7045B for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:33:50 +0100 (CET) X-Face: Vl8-zx%G~!/rC5W!BM+T]w:k.[$Zqh. Q'Af|}oZ6JAhaysP"/43eD<|.BoMETII (Steinar Bang's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:31:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74742 Archived-At: On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:31:34 +0100 Steinar Bang wrote: > In my opinion, the .newsrc.eld should be split up. > > Lars always asks "why?" when I suggest this. The answers are: > - It's a big file that's fragile wrt. to small obscure changes (it's > better to lose tick marks in one group, than in all of them) > - I would like to have my manually edited stuff (group parameters, and > servers, and perhaps other stuff) out of .newsrc.eld and into a file, > or set of files, that can be version controlled and shared together > with the rest of the configuration files in my home directory > > (I think there are other reasons as well, but these are the ones that > came to mind right now) Another reason is to simplify the process of using separate Gnusae (across several computers/user accounts) for IMAP. Other IMAP clients only needs the connection details for the IMAP server, and will fetch the rest of the information from the server. To bootstrap a new Gnus, you need to take several steps - configure your .authinfo.gpg file for credentials - configure the TLS mechanism (starttls, gnutls ...) - configure select methods in .gnus - copy your ~/.newrc.eld - copy some directories (~/News etc) I would love to see a simpler mechanism for getting Gnus running on a new user account. There has been some ideas floating around about storing some info on the IMAP server (using IMAP as a file storage with tramp), but I am not sure how well this works in practise. Can anyone share any details about how to do this? Yes, I know that Gnus is not just an IMAP-server. It is for me. Yes, I know there is a potential chicken-and-egg problem here about bootstrapping Gnus using information from IMAP. - Vegard V -