From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/42004 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrew J Cosgriff Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Question regarding the new multiplaned x-face Date: 15 Jan 2002 02:53:41 GMT Organization: or something Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <1yhepol42u.fsf@earthling.aia.aig.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177310 9106 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:15:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 10509 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:53:26 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:53:26 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16QJiE-0001tX-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:52:34 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:52:27 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19644 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:52:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 10493 invoked by alias); 15 Jan 2002 02:52:15 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 10488 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:52:14 -0000 Original-Received: from ingebrigtsen.no (HELO quimby2.netfonds.no) (195.204.10.66) by gnus.org with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:52:14 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby2.netfonds.no with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16QJjJ-0007kl-00 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:53:41 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 53 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.8.191.196 Original-X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1011063221 29806 210.8.191.196 (15 Jan 2002 02:53:41 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2002 02:53:41 GMT X-URI: X-Face: ,9UPZ*IyS4+{qq6g&ENt[u~#{m:T4hU)_z01n\v)rN4'x-4F>=Z6z4iJB8_v9soa#)afYKnV=u85UhDy@;u+FaQz-J)j4T9V[1rEXIwE7_#,]4$LM&hPPwyv(gtCG\UfHW]Z.V,ADQFl}l<,:n(Dih!{@*VS'#)"zc8vDW>"zAwPeE0_O\<7b? User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.5 (bamboo, i686-pc-linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8WeYieXDSyjbRMuGapJ5GNDZ96E= Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:42004 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:42004 Steve Youngs wrote : > |--==> "WH" == Wes Hardaker writes: > WH> I'm assuming probably exmh is more popular than gnus. I think zmail > WH> might be more popular as well, and it also displays xfaces. > > OK, but what is it about these that makes them more popular than > Gnus? > > Is it "ease of use"? > > Do they have more/better features? I haven't looked at exmh since I migrated to Gnus back in about 1995. But as the others suggested, the fact that they don't run under Emacs is a bonus for some. Exmh is nice enough if you want a GUI mailer, although I imagine the Tk look and feel isn't quite as nifty as it used to be 7 years ago. Zmail is/was a commercial Motif-based mailer. I saw it once or twice back in the mid-90's, it looked pretty good for a GUI mailer back then (but it wasn't Gnus ;). Sylpheed is another apprently ok mail client, it's GTK-based and reads MH folders, and if I hadn't moved from MH to 100% IMAP and if I wasn't surgically attached to Gnus[1], I might've taken a look at it. No idea what it's X-Face support is like, though. If you're a real IMAP-head, there's (possibly still beta ?) copies of Mulberry available for Linux et al, now. I found it a bit odd, but it's supposedly among the best IMAP clients around. > Is Gnus lacking in some respect? Well, Gnus isn't for a novice Emacs user, I suppose. > Is it just a marketing issue? Who would we market to ? > Do we care? I don't know :) Footnotes: [1] I used to use XEmacs for all sorts of things, but these days at least 95% of the time I spend with it is spent using Gnus. -- Andrew J Cosgriff void circle reconstruction convenience lost