Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Pavel Janík ml.]

Hi,

I have just increased the score on the From: on Kai's letter in
gnu.emacs.help. I did the same thing (I a e p) fourth time and my score
file contains five lines with Kai's name and full address. However, Gnus do
not score Kai's articles higher, because he uses sharp S in his name. Can
anyone test it?
-- 
Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Holger Sparr]

Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I have just increased the score on the From: on Kai's letter in
> gnu.emacs.help. I did the same thing (I a e p) fourth time and my score
> file contains five lines with Kai's name and full address. However, Gnus do
> not score Kai's articles higher, because he uses sharp S in his name. Can
> anyone test it?

You should use a numerical argument like (2 0 0 I a e p) or use (I A)
which scores with the default of 1000. Scoring with (I A) results in
a temporary score entry, though.

Holger

--

temporarily scoring (was: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars)

[Andreas Fuchs]

Today, Holger Sparr <sparr+ding@mfkrs1.mw.tu-dresden.de> wrote:
> You should use a numerical argument like (2 0 0 I a e p) or use (I A)
> which scores with the default of 1000. Scoring with (I A) results in
> a temporary score entry, though.

How temporary is "temporary", then?

<cite source=info-gnus-scoring>
   There are two sorts of scoring entries: Permanent and temporary.
Temporary score entries are self-expiring entries.  Any entries that are
temporary and have not been used for, say, a week, will be removed
silently to help keep the sizes of the score files down.
</cite>

Which variable, then, determines how long entries will be kept in the
score file if they are "temporary"?
Do the temp entries go away only after they have been unused for, say,
a week?

Questions onna stick, get your question onna stick!

> Holger

thanks for answering and goodbye,
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Re: temporarily scoring (was: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars)

[Mike Fabian]

Andreas Fuchs <asf@acm.org> writes:

> How temporary is "temporary", then?
> 
> <cite source=info-gnus-scoring>
>    There are two sorts of scoring entries: Permanent and temporary.
> Temporary score entries are self-expiring entries.  Any entries that are
> temporary and have not been used for, say, a week, will be removed
> silently to help keep the sizes of the score files down.
> </cite>
> 
> Which variable, then, determines how long entries will be kept in the
> score file if they are "temporary"?

`gnus-score-expiry-days' is a variable declared in Lisp.
  -- loaded from "gnus-score"

Value: 30   <- default is 7

Documentation:
*Number of days before unused score file entries are expired.
If this variable is nil, no score file entries will be expired.

-- 
Mike Fabian   <mike.fabian@gmx.de>

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Pavel Janík ml.]

   From: Holger Sparr <sparr+ding@mfkrs1.mw.tu-dresden.de>
   Date: 21 Jun 2000 09:37:23 +0200

Hi,

   > You should use a numerical argument like (2 0 0 I a e p) or use (I A)
   > which scores with the default of 1000. Scoring with (I A) results in
   > a temporary score entry, though.

hmm, probably I did not wrote it clearly. When I do Iaep it scores Kai's
mails. Ok. Just Tick (!) one of them and close the current summary buffer
(q). Enter the same group again. Kai's mails are NOT scored higher even I
have his name in the score file, because the score file entry does not
match the From:header, because he has ISO-8859-1 letter in this header. Is
it the same for you who told me that I can not score letters? :-) I use
scoring very heavily by almost every header you can find and have no
problems except this one :-(
-- 
Pavel Janík ml.
Pavel.Janik@linux.cz

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Norbert Koch]

Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:

> I have just increased the score on the From: on Kai's letter in
> gnu.emacs.help. I did the same thing (I a e p) fourth time and my score
> file contains five lines with Kai's name and full address. However, Gnus do
> not score Kai's articles higher, because he uses sharp S in his name. Can
> anyone test it?

Not quite what you need, but you can increase the score either on a
regular expression in which you replace the special character(s) with
a wildcard or by using a substring which is reduced to the
mail-address only. This would be sufficient and doesn't contain
non-ascii characters.

norbert
-- 
Is this going to involve RAW human ecstasy?

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Holger Sparr]

Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I have just increased the score on the From: on Kai's letter in
> gnu.emacs.help. I did the same thing (I a e p) fourth time and my score
> file contains five lines with Kai's name and full address. However, Gnus do
> not score Kai's articles higher, because he uses sharp S in his name. Can
> anyone test it?

I cannot confirm the behavior you described. Try using a numerical
argument for increasing the score like this:

2 0 0 I a e p 

Another way is using `I A' which produces a default score of 1000. The
created score entry is temporary, though.

Holger

-- 
Using Gnus 5.8.3 with Emacs 20.3.1

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Mike Fabian]

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Pavel.Janik@linux.cz (Pavel Janík ml.) writes:

> I have just increased the score on the From: on Kai's letter in
> gnu.emacs.help. I did the same thing (I a e p) fourth time and my score
> file contains five lines with Kai's name and full address. However, Gnus do
> not score Kai's articles higher, because he uses sharp S in his name. Can
> anyone test it?

It works for me. Gnus does score Kai's articles higher, after I used
`I A'. If I look into the contents of the score file, I can't see
the sharp S correctly though, I only see a small circle


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But the scoring works nevertheless.

I thought it might work for me because I have 

    (setq score-mode-coding-system mm-auto-save-coding-system)

in my .gnus.el file. I added this because of Shenghuo ZHU's message
Message-ID: <5bk8g55os3.fsf@heart.cs.rochester.edu> in this mailing list.
For being able to score Japanese subjects this line seems to be necessary.

But scoring Kai's messages works for me even if I remove this line again.

-- 
Mike Fabian   <mike.fabian@gmx.de>

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Dave Love]

>>>>> "PJm" == Pavel Janík ml <Pavel.Janik@linux.cz> writes:

or, rather, (Pavel =?iso-8859-2?q?Jan=EDk?= ml.) does:

 PJm> Hi,
 PJm> I have just increased the score on the From: on Kai's letter in
 PJm> gnu.emacs.help. I did the same thing (I a e p) fourth time and my score
 PJm> file contains five lines with Kai's name and full address. However, Gnus do
 PJm> not score Kai's articles higher, because he uses sharp S in his name. Can
 PJm> anyone test it?

It will work in a Latin-1 or unibyte session, as will scoring on a
Latin-2 `í'.

Clearly score files need to use emacs-mule coding or, rather, whatever
the Gnus variable is that abstracts this over Emacs and XEmacs.  At
least in Emacs, an entry for score files in `file-coding-system-alist'
ought to do the trick.

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Shenghuo ZHU]

Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk> writes:

> It will work in a Latin-1 or unibyte session, as will scoring on a
> Latin-2 `í'.
> 
> Clearly score files need to use emacs-mule coding or, rather,
> whatever the Gnus variable is that abstracts this over Emacs and
> XEmacs.  At least in Emacs, an entry for score files in
> `file-coding-system-alist' ought to do the trick.

Maybe not. When writing a SCORE file, Gnus binds
coding-system-for-write to score-mode-coding-system (which is binary).

Shenghuo

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Dave Love]

>>>>> "ZSH" == Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

 ZSH> Maybe not. When writing a SCORE file, Gnus binds
 ZSH> coding-system-for-write to score-mode-coding-system (which is binary).

Thanks for the correction.  How about this?

2000-06-28  Dave Love  <fx@gnu.org>

	* score-mode.el: Don't require easymenu (autoloaded).  Require
	mm-util.
	(score-mode-coding-system): Default to mm-auto-save-coding-system.

Index: score-mode.el
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp/score-mode.el,v
retrieving revision 5.4
diff -u -p -c -r5.4 score-mode.el
cvs server: conflicting specifications of output style
*** score-mode.el	1998/10/19 22:25:10	5.4
--- score-mode.el	2000/06/27 17:05:14
***************
*** 25,32 ****
  
  ;;; Code:
  
- (require 'easymenu)
  (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))
  
  (defvar gnus-score-mode-hook nil
    "*Hook run in score mode buffers.")
--- 25,32 ----
  
  ;;; Code:
  
  (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))
+ (require 'mm-util)			; for mm-auto-save-coding-system
  
  (defvar gnus-score-mode-hook nil
    "*Hook run in score mode buffers.")
***************
*** 51,57 ****
      table)
    "Syntax table used in score-mode buffers.")
  
! (defvar score-mode-coding-system 'binary)
  
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun gnus-score-mode ()
--- 51,57 ----
      table)
    "Syntax table used in score-mode buffers.")
  
! (defvar score-mode-coding-system mm-auto-save-coding-system)
  
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun gnus-score-mode ()

Re: Scoring on From: with non-ascii chars

[Shenghuo ZHU]

Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk> writes:

> >>>>> "ZSH" == Shenghuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:
> 
>  ZSH> Maybe not. When writing a SCORE file, Gnus binds
>  ZSH> coding-system-for-write to score-mode-coding-system (which is binary).
> 
> Thanks for the correction.  How about this?
> 
> 2000-06-28  Dave Love  <fx@gnu.org>
> 
> 	* score-mode.el: Don't require easymenu (autoloaded).  Require
> 	mm-util.
> 	(score-mode-coding-system): Default to mm-auto-save-coding-system.

I think it is OK.

Shenghuo