From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33020 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: ognus Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:22:11 GMT Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <200010302322.XAA08221@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> References: <2nwvetu80i.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> <200010291739.RAA06135@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169204 22981 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:00:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDAAD049A for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:22:49 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAB10297; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:22:33 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:21:57 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12607 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:21:46 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from djlvig.dl.ac.uk (djlvig.dl.ac.uk [148.79.112.146]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4643D049A for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:22:12 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from fx@localhost) by djlvig.dl.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA08221; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:22:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: djlvig.dl.ac.uk: fx set sender to d.love@dl.ac.uk using -f X-Face: "_!nmR@11ZNuumt0oqG"Y3Hfy|;FGz)`"ul[G?ah6k-oNyDW?3/Nq3Qab$kUnUQ_d4};kPl R=}-Vqfo|S5mThi-kaBR=>%g5a3-OvnEhdHu{^APIaP:b}0m!$bDC>SX zz'r)e?`at?tpD*+~b+pf Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.0.90 Original-Lines: 40 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33020 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33020 >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen writes: PA> All other CVS based projects I know of either have HEAD as the front PA> of the development branch, or are planning to do so in the future PA> because having HEAD be the stable branch causes too many problems. I doubt many of them have absentee maintainers, a lack of management and not even the ability to make a release or update a web site. The fact that this exchange is happening is indicative. I shouldn't be doing the work I am and I certainly shouldn't find things change under me like this without warning. (I'm not a beginner.) PA> There are no excuse for picking up software with CVS and PA> expecting stable code. So people wouldn't advise users to do that? How should things be stabilized and users provided with useful fixed versions? (I know stabilization prior to Gnus releases isn't traditional.) PA> Aren't all the 5.8.7 point releases stable? I don't know what that means. Certainly things after 5.8.7 don't look too stable and 5.8.7 was apparently released with mail-source-delete-incoming turned off, for instance, even if there's notthing else seriously wrong with it. Something that particularly looks as though it needs sorting out in a 5.8 release is coding conversion stuff; I'd like to see Handa's advice followed. PA> I thought Lars always required assignments for Gnus code. You might think or hope that. You might hope that everybody with CVS write access would have an assignment on file and that no-one else checked in anything dubious. If you were Gerd or me, you'd be disappointed and waste a lot of time on the issue. rms was right to worry about the situation more than I did previously.