From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33126 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: ognus Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:35:34 GMT Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <200011021735.RAA12726@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> References: <2nwvetu80i.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> <200010291739.RAA06135@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> <200010302322.XAA08221@djlvig.dl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169290 23489 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:01:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F92D049A for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:36:15 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAB29245; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:35:56 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:35:21 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10528 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:35:10 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from djlvig.dl.ac.uk (djlvig.dl.ac.uk [148.79.112.146]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72701D049A for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:35:36 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from fx@localhost) by djlvig.dl.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA12726; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:35:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: djlvig.dl.ac.uk: fx set sender to d.love@dl.ac.uk using -f X-Face: "_!nmR@11ZNuumt0oqG"Y3Hfy|;FGz)`"ul[G?ah6k-oNyDW?3/Nq3Qab$kUnUQ_d4};kPl R=}-Vqfo|S5mThi-kaBR=>%g5a3-OvnEhdHu{^APIaP:b}0m!$bDC>SX zz'r)e?`at?tpD*+~b+pf Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.0.90 Original-Lines: 33 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33126 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33126 >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen writes: [I'm not going to get into a slanging match over the rest of this, but I'd prefer not to be treated like someone with no experience talking through his hat.] PA> Well, he used to avoid e.g. Kyle Jones code (which is both PA> relevant and very high quality, but unassigned). Please stop giving a false impression of this issue. Here's an indication of serious management problems -- no `but's -- particularly if the statement about Emacs just integrating a specific version from the general release were true: $ grep 'Copyright (C)' base64.el md5.el gpg*el starttls.el gnus-ml.el base64.el:;;; Copyright (C) 1997 Kyle E. Jones md5.el:;; Copyright (C) 1995 by Gareth Rees md5.el:;; Copyright (C) 1990, RSA Data Security, Inc. All rights reserved. gpg-ring.el:;; Copyright (C) 2000 RUS-CERT, University Of Stuttgart gpg.el:;; Copyright (C) 2000 RUS-CERT, University Of Stuttgart starttls.el:;; Copyright (C) 1999 Daiki Ueno gnus-ml.el:;; Copyright (C) 2000 by Julien Gilles [Obviously an FSF copyright notice doesn't mean the contents of a file are actually properly assigned and I know Lars didn't check in all the problematic stuff.] Now I will fork off and do my best at the job I agreed with the Emacs maintainer and the Gnus maintainer. -- CVS is not a substitute for management. -- the manual