From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/35742 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robin S. Socha" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Quimby Upgrade Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: <20010411052354.D46053@kens.com> References: <20010410162812.7343.qmail@nightshade.la.mastaler.com> <87g0fg56fb.fsf@inanna.rimspace.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035171434 4687 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 24815 invoked by alias); 11 Apr 2001 09:23:42 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 24810 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 09:23:41 -0000 Original-Received: from kens.com (HELO test.kens.com) (qmailr@129.250.30.40) by gnus.org with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 09:23:41 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 48104 invoked by uid 1002); 11 Apr 2001 09:23:54 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <87g0fg56fb.fsf@inanna.rimspace.net>; from daniel@rimspace.net on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:52:56PM +1000 X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-URL: https://socha.net/ X-Editor: Vim-600 http://www.vim.org/ Original-Lines: 56 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35742 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:35742 * Daniel Pittman [010411 01:56]: > On 10 Apr 2001, Jason R. Mastaler wrote: > > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > >> What this mailing list needs is a good old-fashioned OS flame war, > > > > Well how about this then. While Linux makes a cute desktop/notebook > > OS, it falls miserably short in most of the categories that matter > > for larger-scale, high-performance applications (filesystem, > > Particularly what areas of them? Try ext2 against UFS with softupdates. Good luck. > > network stack, > Ditto. As of 2.4, it's upposed to be an urban legend. But who knows? > > NFS, > Here, I agree completely. Who cares? AFS and Coda are available. NFS should be shot, along with sendmail and BIND. At least OpenBSD ships with BIND 4. > > SMP, > Details on what areas? What sort of a flamewar is this, anyway? Who needs stinking SMP? Anyway, OpenBSD does not have it *harrump* and here's the deal for FreeBSD: http://people.freebsd.org/~jasone/smp/ > > etc..). Linux is like a zoo without a keeper. > In a lot of ways, yes. In one single way it is not. "Linux" as in "the kernel" is not. Linux distributions, however, are an entirely different thing. Unfortunately, I don't know Debian very well, but it looks good. For my purposes (security, stability, maintainability in this order), DeadRat and SuSE are inadequate. > PS: I am looking for actual facts here, not flame bait. I occasionally > need to recommend to people which of the free Unix clones to chose and, > because /I/ don't know what the differences are, I go Debian. ... which AFAIK is a good choice if you go for Linux. The BSD system of ports, packages and CVS to keep the core system up to date is, well, very good. > I am quite happy to learn why I want something else, though. If you want to learn things the hard way, grab an OpenBSD CD and see if you like it (also: see sig - this is a very good mail server) A good read: http://sites.inka.de/mips/unix/bsdlinux.html -- Robin S. Socha http://mail.socha.net/about/