From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/49368 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthias Andree Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: maildir in Gnus vs. clock corrections and PID recycling Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:42:10 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <20030119234210.GA8374@merlin.emma.line.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043019704 14115 80.91.224.249 (19 Jan 2003 23:41:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18aP4R-0003fX-00 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:41:43 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18aP5C-0002qi-00; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:42:30 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:43:27 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21881 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:43:17 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 85100 invoked by alias); 19 Jan 2003 23:42:13 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 85095 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 23:42:13 -0000 Original-Received: from pd9e1e93e.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO m2a2.dyndns.org) (postfix@217.225.233.62) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 23:42:13 -0000 Original-Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id B2D96670B5; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:42:10 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Matthias Andree , ding@gnus.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:49368 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:49368 Paul Jarc schrieb am Sonntag, den 19. Januar 2003: > > The supposedly later http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html refines the > > documentation, and demands that the middle part does not recur within > > one second, which is still insufficient given that a computer clock > > might be stepped back, > > Stepping a clock backwards produces so many problems that it is better > to ignore those problems, run the clock monotonically, and find a > different way to deal with any problems that stepping backwards was > supposed to solve. This would mean rebooting systems when the clocks are fast and cannot be just slowed reasonably -- this cannot be expected, so applications must be prepared to clocks being stepped backwards. It'd be fine with me if the program would just complain, the ultime goal is avoiding EVER overwriting a file. > That sounds like a good idea. As long as all maildir writers do that, > readers (programs that move messages from new/ to cur/) won't have to > be changed. nnmaildir does deliver new messages to tmp/ sometimes, so > I'll change that. But the problem isn't likely to affect nnmaildir > anyway, since Emacs is long-lived and nnmaildir is not likely to > deliver new messages within 1 second of Emacs starting or exiting. Agreed. -- Matthias Andree