From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/51917 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: MML charset tag regression Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:59:48 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200304281259.VAA11071@etlken.m17n.org> References: <8465p3kgpl.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <84bryuogke.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <200304281158.UAA10974@etlken.m17n.org> <87d6j64ws4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051535011 21792 80.91.224.249 (28 Apr 2003 13:03:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jas@extundo.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 15:03:28 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19A8I4-0005fC-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:03:28 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19A8QF-0003tX-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:11:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A8Hx-0005u0-02 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:03:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A8HZ-0005mZ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:02:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A8H9-0005Jq-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19A8Ej-0004fZ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2])h3SCxno12631; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:59:49 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) h3SCxmA20067; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:59:49 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id VAA11071; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:59:48 +0900 (JST) Original-To: stephen@xemacs.org In-reply-to: <87d6j64ws4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.2.92 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Original-cc: ding@gnus.org Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13514 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51917 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:51917 In article <87d6j64ws4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>, "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>>>>> "Kenichi" == Kenichi Handa writes: Kenichi> 'UTF8_STRING has been recently introduced in XFree86, and Kenichi> there are many clients that still doesn't support it. > I thought the UTF-8 interfaces of XFree86 were deprecated because they > are redundant (extended segments work fine, and XFree86 already uses > them even where specifically prohibited by the ICCCM, namely for ISO > 8859/15), and I thought the X Consortium opposed it. It was discussed > on emacs-devel about a year ago. Has this changed? As far as I remember, that was the different topic. What deprecated was the function Xutf8LookupString (and perhaps Xutf8DrawString as well). Kenichi> Perhaps, we should make Emacs to request UTF8_STRING at Kenichi> first if the locale is UTF8, and if that request fails, Kenichi> request COMPOUND_TEXT. > Surely this will need to be configurable in Lisp, maybe even > controlled by the user. The variety of conventions used by > applications is too wide, and the standards hard to interpret. Yes, of course. What I wrote was the default behavior of Emacs. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org