From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/61348 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joseph S D Yao Newsgroups: gmane.mail.mh-e.devel,gmane.comp.version-control.cvs.pcl.general,gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.efs.general,gmane.emacs.bbdb.user,gmane.comp.window-managers.xwem.devel Subject: Which @xemacs.org e-mail addresses are being used? Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:34:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20051109193442.A23577@gwyn.tux.org> Reply-To: Joseph S D Yao NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131587039 19654 80.91.229.2 (10 Nov 2005 01:43:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jason R Mastaler , Norbert Koch , William M Perry , MajorDomo List Server , Steve L Baur , XEmacs ftpmaster , Kyle Jones , Martin R Buchholz , Hrvoje Niksic , Stig Bjoerlykke , Jareth Hein , Ben Wing , Andrew J Cosgriff , Vin Shelton , Steve Youngs , Stephen J Turnbull , Adrian Aichner , Ville Skytta , Peter Brown , cvs-manager-archive@tux.org, majordomo-xemacs@tux.org, owner-majordomo-xemacs@tux.org, xemacs-admin@tux.org, xemacs-admin-admin@tux.org, xemacs-admin-bounces@tux.org, xemacs-admin-mailman@tux.org, xemacs-admin-owner@tux.org, xemacs-announce-admin@tux.org, xemacs-anno Original-X-From: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Nov 10 02:43:15 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists-outbound.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.225]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ea1S5-0000SV-V4 for gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:42:11 +0100 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net (sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net [10.3.1.7]) by sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D231891AB; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:42:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list2-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.8] helo=sc8-sf-list2.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ea0W3-0001gA-4x; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:42:11 -0800 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.91] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ea0W2-0001qr-8c; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:42:10 -0800 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.44) id 1Ea0W1-0002mD-6b; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:42:10 -0800 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAA0ZW0M010832; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:35:33 -0500 Original-Received: (from jsdy@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jAA0YgQ6010690; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:34:42 -0500 Original-To: administrators@tux.org, sudoers@tux.org Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (gwyn.tux.org [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:35:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 Original-Sender: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Forum for the MH-E developers List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:34:42 -0500 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.mail.mh-e.devel:10952 gmane.comp.version-control.cvs.pcl.general:111 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:61348 gmane.emacs.efs.general:31 gmane.emacs.bbdb.user:1769 gmane.comp.window-managers.xwem.devel:721 Archived-At: OK, I said I'd take care of this, and I will. My apologies if this is going out to too many people, but with so many mailing lists involved, I'd rather that this get to everyone who needs to see it than miss a number of important addressees. We need to clean up the @xemacs.org addresses being hosted on @tux.org. Right now, they are merged in with all other @tux.org e-mail addresses. The first list that follows is the list of aliases defined by the xemacs aliases file. As aliases, they are indistinguishable from any other e-mail addresses coming onto this e-mail host. One problem is, that some of these conflict with other aliases, specifically: MAILER-DAEMON, hostmaster, mailman, mailman-owner, postmaster, webmaster Another problem is that non-@xemacs.org users are being sent SPAM to @xemacs.org mail addresses, and don't like it. The second list below is that of the e-mail addresses in the alias definitions who are in the @xemacs.org domain. Some of them don't even exist! I am going to fix the problem by making @xemacs.org into a partial virtual domain, rather than having it [as now] as another name for @tux.org. QUESTIONS: (1) Are all the mailing lists in List 1, below, still needed and used? More specifically, are there any I should throw out? [And if any of them bounces, I am throwing it out - or at least commenting it out.] (2) Are the aliases in /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs still valid? Are there any translations that need to change? (3) Are there any more e-mail addresses that should respond to @xemacs.org than the ones listed below? Because if I don't explicitly include them, they will no longer be part of the @xemacs.org domain. (4) Are there real e-mail addresses that should be associated with the alias targets that don't exist (in List 2)? (5) What are your maintenance needs for these mailing lists? (6) Is there any need to make this a full virtual domain, so that any and ALL e-mail sent by certain users will appear to be coming from @xemacs.org? Thanks! List 1 - aliases ======================================================================= MAILER-DAEMON ada-bugs ada-discuss ada-maintainer ada-patches apel-bugs apel-discuss apel-maintainer apel-patches auctex-bugs auctex-discuss auctex-maintainer auctex-patches bbdb-announce bbdb-announce-request bbdb-bugs bbdb-discuss bbdb-info bbdb-info-request bbdb-maintainer bbdb-patches bugs c-support-bugs c-support-discuss c-support-maintainer c-support-patches calc-bugs calc-discuss calc-maintainer calc-patches calendar-bugs calendar-discuss calendar-maintainer calendar-patches cookie-bugs cookie-discuss cookie-maintainer cookie-patches crashes crisp-bugs crisp-discuss crisp-maintainer crisp-patches cvs-manager cvs-manager-archive debug-bugs debug-discuss debug-maintainer debug-patches dired-bugs dired-discuss dired-maintainer dired-patches edebug-bugs edebug-discuss edebug-maintainer edebug-patches edict-bugs edict-discuss edict-maintainer edict-patches ediff-bugs ediff-discuss ediff-maintainer ediff-patches edit-utils-bugs edit-utils-discuss edit-utils-maintainer edit-utils-patches edt-bugs edt-discuss edt-maintainer edt-patches efs-bugs efs-discuss efs-maintainer efs-patches egg-its-bugs egg-its-discuss egg-its-maintainer egg-its-patches eicq-bugs eicq-discuss eicq-maintainer eicq-patches eieio-bugs eieio-discuss eieio-maintainer eieio-patches elib-bugs elib-discuss elib-maintainer elib-patches emerge-bugs emerge-discuss emerge-maintainer emerge-patches escreen-bugs escreen-discuss escreen-maintainer escreen-patches eshell-bugs eshell-discuss eshell-maintainer eshell-patches eterm-bugs eterm-discuss eterm-maintainer eterm-patches eudc-bugs eudc-discuss eudc-maintainer eudc-patches faq faq-maintainer footnote-bugs footnote-discuss footnote-maintainer footnote-patches forms-bugs forms-discuss forms-maintainer forms-patches frame-icon-bugs frame-icon-discuss frame-icon-maintainer frame-icon-patches fsf-compat-bugs fsf-compat-discuss fsf-compat-maintainer fsf-compat-patches games-bugs games-discuss games-maintainer games-patches gnats-admin gnats-bugs gnats-discuss gnats-maintainer gnats-patches gnus-bugs gnus-discuss gnus-maintainer gnus-patches hm--html-menus-bugs hm--html-menus-discuss hm--html-menus-maintainer hm--html-menus-patches hostmaster hyperbole-bugs hyperbole-discuss hyperbole-maintainer hyperbole-patches idlwave-bugs idlwave-discuss idlwave-maintainer idlwave-patches igrep-bugs igrep-discuss igrep-maintainer igrep-patches ilisp-bugs ilisp-discuss ilisp-maintainer ilisp-patches ispell-bugs ispell-discuss ispell-maintainer ispell-patches jde-bugs jde-discuss jde-maintainer jde-patches kit-manager latin-euro-standards-bugs latin-euro-standards-discuss latin-euro-standards-maintainer latin-euro-standards-patches latin-unity-bugs latin-unity-discuss latin-unity-maintainer latin-unity-patches leim-bugs leim-discuss leim-maintainer leim-patches list-manager locale-bugs locale-discuss locale-maintainer locale-patches lookup-bugs lookup-discuss lookup-maintainer lookup-patches mail-lib-bugs mail-lib-discuss mail-lib-maintainer mail-lib-patches mailcrypt-bugs mailcrypt-discuss mailcrypt-maintainer mailcrypt-patches mailman mailman-owner majordomo majordomo-owner majordomo-xemacs mew-bugs mew-discuss mew-maintainer mew-patches mh-e-bugs mh-e-discuss mh-e-maintainer mh-e-patches mine-bugs mine-discuss mine-maintainer mine-patches misc-games-bugs misc-games-discuss misc-games-maintainer misc-games-patches mule-base-bugs mule-base-discuss mule-base-maintainer mule-base-patches net-utils-bugs net-utils-discuss net-utils-maintainer net-utils-patches oo-browser-bugs oo-browser-discuss oo-browser-maintainer oo-browser-patches os-utils-bugs os-utils-discuss os-utils-maintainer os-utils-patches owner-bbdb-announce owner-bbdb-info owner-majordomo owner-majordomo-xemacs owner-w3-announce owner-w3-beta owner-w3-bugs owner-w3-dev pc-bugs pc-discuss pc-maintainer pc-patches pcl-cvs-bugs pcl-cvs-discuss pcl-cvs-maintainer pcl-cvs-patches pcomplete-bugs pcomplete-discuss pcomplete-maintainer pcomplete-patches postmaster prog-modes-bugs prog-modes-discuss prog-modes-maintainer prog-modes-patches ps-print-nomule-bugs ps-print-nomule-discuss ps-print-nomule-maintainer ps-print-nomule-patches psgml-bugs psgml-discuss psgml-maintainer psgml-patches python-mode-bugs python-mode-discuss python-mode-maintainer python-mode-patches reftex-bugs reftex-discuss reftex-maintainer reftex-patches rmail-bugs rmail-discuss rmail-maintainer rmail-patches scheme-bugs scheme-discuss scheme-maintainer scheme-patches semantic-bugs semantic-discuss semantic-maintainer semantic-patches sgml-bugs sgml-discuss sgml-maintainer sgml-patches sh-script-bugs sh-script-discuss sh-script-maintainer sh-script-patches skk-bugs skk-discuss skk-maintainer skk-patches slider-bugs slider-discuss slider-maintainer slider-patches sounds-au-bugs sounds-au-discuss sounds-au-maintainer sounds-au-patches sounds-wav-bugs sounds-wav-discuss sounds-wav-maintainer sounds-wav-patches speedbar-bugs speedbar-discuss speedbar-maintainer speedbar-patches sql-mode-bugs sql-mode-discuss sql-mode-maintainer sql-mode-patches strokes-bugs strokes-discuss strokes-maintainer strokes-patches sun-bugs sun-discuss sun-maintainer sun-patches supercite-bugs supercite-discuss supercite-maintainer supercite-patches texinfo-bugs texinfo-discuss texinfo-maintainer texinfo-patches text-modes-bugs text-modes-discuss text-modes-maintainer text-modes-patches textools-bugs textools-discuss textools-maintainer textools-patches time-bugs time-discuss time-maintainer time-patches tm-bugs tm-discuss tm-maintainer tm-patches tooltalk-bugs tooltalk-discuss tooltalk-maintainer tooltalk-patches tpu-bugs tpu-discuss tpu-maintainer tpu-patches vc-bugs vc-cc-bugs vc-cc-discuss vc-cc-maintainer vc-cc-patches vc-discuss vc-maintainer vc-patches vhdl-bugs vhdl-discuss vhdl-maintainer vhdl-patches view-process-bugs view-process-discuss view-process-maintainer view-process-patches viper-bugs viper-discuss viper-maintainer viper-patches vm-bugs vm-discuss vm-maintainer vm-patches w3-announce w3-announce-approval w3-announce-out w3-announce-request w3-beta w3-beta-approval w3-beta-out w3-beta-request w3-bugs w3-bugs-approval w3-bugs-out w3-bugs-request w3-dev w3-dev-approval w3-dev-out w3-dev-request w3-discuss w3-maintainer w3-patches webmast webmaster xemacadm xemacs xemacs-admin xemacs-admin-admin xemacs-admin-bounces xemacs-admin-confirm xemacs-admin-join xemacs-admin-leave xemacs-admin-mailman xemacs-admin-owner xemacs-admin-request xemacs-admin-subscribe xemacs-admin-unsubscribe xemacs-announce xemacs-announce-admin xemacs-announce-archivist xemacs-announce-bounces xemacs-announce-confirm xemacs-announce-join xemacs-announce-leave xemacs-announce-mailman xemacs-announce-owner xemacs-announce-request xemacs-announce-subscribe xemacs-announce-unsubscribe xemacs-base-bugs xemacs-base-discuss xemacs-base-maintainer xemacs-base-patches xemacs-beta xemacs-beta-admin xemacs-beta-archive xemacs-beta-bounces xemacs-beta-confirm xemacs-beta-ja xemacs-beta-ja-admin xemacs-beta-ja-archive xemacs-beta-ja-bounces xemacs-beta-ja-confirm xemacs-beta-ja-join xemacs-beta-ja-leave xemacs-beta-ja-mailman xemacs-beta-ja-owner xemacs-beta-ja-request xemacs-beta-ja-subscribe xemacs-beta-ja-unsubscribe xemacs-beta-join xemacs-beta-leave xemacs-beta-mailman xemacs-beta-owner xemacs-beta-request xemacs-beta-subscribe xemacs-beta-unsubscribe xemacs-build-reports xemacs-build-reports-admin xemacs-build-reports-request xemacs-buildreports xemacs-buildreports-admin xemacs-buildreports-archive xemacs-buildreports-bounces xemacs-buildreports-confirm xemacs-buildreports-join xemacs-buildreports-leave xemacs-buildreports-mailman xemacs-buildreports-owner xemacs-buildreports-request xemacs-buildreports-subscribe xemacs-buildreports-unsubscribe xemacs-crashes xemacs-crashes-admin xemacs-crashes-archive xemacs-crashes-bounces xemacs-crashes-confirm xemacs-crashes-join xemacs-crashes-leave xemacs-crashes-mailman xemacs-crashes-owner xemacs-crashes-request xemacs-crashes-subscribe xemacs-crashes-unsubscribe xemacs-cvs xemacs-cvs-admin xemacs-cvs-archive xemacs-cvs-bounces xemacs-cvs-confirm xemacs-cvs-join xemacs-cvs-leave xemacs-cvs-mailman xemacs-cvs-owner xemacs-cvs-request xemacs-cvs-subscribe xemacs-cvs-unsubscribe xemacs-design xemacs-design-admin xemacs-design-archivist xemacs-design-bounces xemacs-design-confirm xemacs-design-join xemacs-design-leave xemacs-design-mailman xemacs-design-owner xemacs-design-request xemacs-design-subscribe xemacs-design-unsubscribe xemacs-devel-bugs xemacs-devel-discuss xemacs-devel-maintainer xemacs-devel-patches xemacs-gnats xemacs-mailmaint xemacs-mailmaint-admin xemacs-mailmaint-bounces xemacs-mailmaint-confirm xemacs-mailmaint-join xemacs-mailmaint-leave xemacs-mailmaint-mailman xemacs-mailmaint-owner xemacs-mailmaint-request xemacs-mailmaint-subscribe xemacs-mailmaint-unsubscribe xemacs-mirrors xemacs-mirrors-admin xemacs-mirrors-bounces xemacs-mirrors-confirm xemacs-mirrors-join xemacs-mirrors-leave xemacs-mirrors-owner xemacs-mirrors-request xemacs-mirrors-subscribe xemacs-mirrors-unsubscribe xemacs-mule xemacs-mule-admin xemacs-mule-archive xemacs-mule-bounces xemacs-mule-confirm xemacs-mule-join xemacs-mule-leave xemacs-mule-mailman xemacs-mule-owner xemacs-mule-request xemacs-mule-subscribe xemacs-mule-unsubscribe xemacs-news xemacs-news-admin xemacs-news-archive xemacs-news-bounces xemacs-news-confirm xemacs-news-join xemacs-news-leave xemacs-news-mailman xemacs-news-owner xemacs-news-request xemacs-news-subscribe xemacs-news-unsubscribe xemacs-nt xemacs-nt-admin xemacs-nt-request xemacs-patches xemacs-patches-admin xemacs-patches-archive xemacs-patches-bounces xemacs-patches-confirm xemacs-patches-join xemacs-patches-leave xemacs-patches-mailman xemacs-patches-owner xemacs-patches-request xemacs-patches-subscribe xemacs-patches-unsubscribe xemacs-request xemacs-review xemacs-review-admin xemacs-review-archive xemacs-review-bounces xemacs-review-confirm xemacs-review-join xemacs-review-leave xemacs-review-mailman xemacs-review-owner xemacs-review-request xemacs-review-subscribe xemacs-review-unsubscribe xemacs-test xemacs-test-admin xemacs-test-archive xemacs-test-bounces xemacs-test-confirm xemacs-test-join xemacs-test-leave xemacs-test-mailman xemacs-test-owner xemacs-test-request xemacs-test-subscribe xemacs-test-unsubscribe xemacs-users-ja xemacs-users-ja-admin xemacs-users-ja-archive xemacs-users-ja-bounces xemacs-users-ja-confirm xemacs-users-ja-join xemacs-users-ja-leave xemacs-users-ja-mailman xemacs-users-ja-owner xemacs-users-ja-request xemacs-users-ja-subscribe xemacs-users-ja-unsubscribe xemacs-users-ru xemacs-users-ru-admin xemacs-users-ru-archive xemacs-users-ru-bounces xemacs-users-ru-confirm xemacs-users-ru-join xemacs-users-ru-leave xemacs-users-ru-mailman xemacs-users-ru-owner xemacs-users-ru-request xemacs-users-ru-subscribe xemacs-users-ru-unsubscribe xemacs-webmaint xemacs-webmaint-admin xemacs-webmaint-bounces xemacs-webmaint-confirm xemacs-webmaint-join xemacs-webmaint-leave xemacs-webmaint-mailman xemacs-webmaint-owner xemacs-webmaint-request xemacs-webmaint-subscribe xemacs-webmaint-unsubscribe xemacs-winnt xemacs-winnt-admin xemacs-winnt-archive xemacs-winnt-bounces xemacs-winnt-confirm xemacs-winnt-join xemacs-winnt-leave xemacs-winnt-mailman xemacs-winnt-owner xemacs-winnt-request xemacs-winnt-subscribe xemacs-winnt-unsubscribe xlib-bugs xlib-discuss xlib-maintainer xlib-patches xslt-process-bugs xslt-process-discuss xslt-process-maintainer xslt-process-patches xwem-bugs xwem-discuss xwem-maintainer xwem-patches zenirc-bugs zenirc-discuss zenirc-maintainer zenirc-patches ======================================================================= List 2 - @tux.org [no explicit domain] or @xemacs.org names in the alias definitions ======================================================================= adrian andy bugs cvs-manager-archive jason majordomo-owner owner-w3-announce owner-w3-beta owner-w3-bugs owner-w3-dev stephen xemacs-admin xemacs-beta xemacs-buildreports xemacs-buildreports-admin xemacs-buildreports-request xemacs-crashes xemacs-mailmaint xemacs-mailmaint xemacs-news xemacs-news-request xemacs-users-ru-archive xemacs-webmaint xemacs-winnt xemacs-winnt-admin xemacs-winnt-request xemacweb adrian@xemacs.org aidan.kehoe@xemacs.org andy@xemacs.org didier@xemacs.org j_colman@xemacs.org kyle@xemacs.org matsl@xemacs.org mike.sperber@xemacs.org oscar@xemacs.org ovidiu@xemacs.org simon@xemacs.org stephen@xemacs.org steve@xemacs.org tomohiko.morioka@xemacs.org viteno@xemacs.org w3-beta@xemacs.org wmperry@xemacs.org xemacs-beta@xemacs.org xemacs-patches@xemacs.org yoshiki@xemacs.org NOTE: adrian: /etc/passwd jason: /etc/passwd viteno: /etc/passwd wmperry: /etc/passwd xemacweb: /etc/passwd aidan.kehoe: NOT FOUND andy: NOT FOUND didier: NOT FOUND j_colman: NOT FOUND kyle: NOT FOUND matsl: NOT FOUND mike.sperber: NOT FOUND oscar: NOT FOUND ovidiu: NOT FOUND simon: NOT FOUND stephen: NOT FOUND steve: NOT FOUND tomohiko.morioka: NOT FOUND yoshiki: NOT FOUND bugs: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs cvs-manager-archive: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs majordomo-owner: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs owner-w3-announce: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs owner-w3-beta: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs owner-w3-bugs: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs owner-w3-dev: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs w3-beta: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-admin: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-beta: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-buildreports-admin: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-buildreports-request: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-buildreports: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-crashes: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-mailmaint: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-news-request: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-news: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-patches: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-users-ru-archive: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-webmaint: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-winnt-admin: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-winnt-request: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs xemacs-winnt: /etc/mail/aliases-xemacs ======================================================================= -- /*********************************************************************\ ** ** Joe Yao jsdy@tux.org - Joseph S. 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