From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62248 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: defcustom :version Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:32:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200603142332.k2ENW0928869@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <15499.1142047137@olgas.newt.com> <200603110447.k2B4lbt10750@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200603121454.k2CEsDf05104@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200603140326.k2E3QFs05473@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1142379469 17731 80.91.229.2 (14 Mar 2006 23:37:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wohler@newt.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 15 00:37:47 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJJ5G-0001ya-8W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:37:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJJ5F-0000BF-K8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:37:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FJJ4z-00008z-JD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:37:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FJJ4y-00006E-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:37:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJJ4x-00005k-V7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FJJ9D-0004MA-1p; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:41:51 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k2ENbINs001424; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:37:18 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id k2ENW0928869; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:32:00 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:09:53 -0500) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.1 (manatee.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.104]); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:37:18 -0600 (CST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:51634 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62248 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: I don't follow the scenario you describe, but don't bother explaining it. Reduction down to 2635 lines is not enough reduction to make the situation much better. We need stronger measures. We need to give this some structure. Here's an idea. customize-changed could work like customize-browse, except that it would show only the groups that cover settings which have changed meanings. What do you think? That would obviously not reduce the total number of listed options. (There quite simply is no way to reduce that substantially.) It would not help somebody wanting to take a look at all of them (quite to the contrary). And with the current one-buffer layout, at least they are listed alphabetically and one can use C-s. It would also not do anything about the problem that the command may take a very long time on slow machines (it could actually make it worse). So I do not believe that this change would be a good idea. I believe we should just leave things as they are. Sincerely, Luc.