From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13378 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: flee@lehman.com (Franklin Lee) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: i18n [&& klingon] and barking dogs Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:35:00 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <2441-Thu01Jan1998163500-0500-flee@lehman.com> Reply-To: flee@lehman.com NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035152756 8987 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:25:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: edgar@beckett.rmaonline.net, raeburn@cygnus.com, grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13645 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:39:55 -0800 Original-Received: from farabi.hpc.uh.edu (farabi.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00316 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:40:36 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@[10.1.1.1]) by farabi.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAN10526; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:42:36 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:35:17 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19605 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:35:09 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 12591 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jan 1998 21:34:57 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 12588 invoked from network); 1 Jan 1998 21:34:56 -0000 Original-Received: from firewall.lehman.com (HELO firewall1.Lehman.COM) (@192.147.65.66) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 1998 21:34:56 -0000 Original-Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id QAA21381; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:54 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from batman.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21000; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:23 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from flee-dial-in by batman.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA01297; Thu, 1 Jan 98 16:34:14 EST X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-3 I) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13378 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:13378 To all -- Happy New Year, and thank you! epop3mail's biff vocabulary is now 32 utterances (!) in 27 human languages (including Esperanto). Keep those barks coming! I am especially in need of Urdu, Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Afghani, Kashmiri, Tibetan, and Nepalese barks, as well as African New World native barks (Inuit, Yanomami, Sioux, Navaho, etc). I would also love to know if UK / Commonwealth dogs bark differently than North American English speaking dogs. By the way, native speakers of those languages (or any other language) who wish to contribute to the "Sounds of the World's Animal" project can visit http://www.georgetown.edu/cball/animals/animals.html Professor Ball of the Linguistics Department there was very helpful. Regarding Klingon: From: edgar@beckett.rmaonline.net (Mr. Whipple) >> Klingon dogs don't bark, they just leap up and rip your throat out. >> Not a useful biff feature, IMHO. :) From: Ken Raeburn >> I dunno, depending on the mail, I suppose it might be appropriate, >> at least from the sender's point of view.... From: Kai Grossjohann >> How does one represent jumping up and ripping one's throat out in >> the Emacs mode line, romanized? :-) Question: exactly /whose/ throat is being ripped out? The recipient's? The sender's? I thought it would be the delivery person. Anyay, I am pretty sure that some sort of romanized transliteration is possible. I didn't linger very long at their web site, but I would wager that the introductory tutorials at the Klingon Language Institute (http://www.kli.org) have just the vocabulary to describe just that kind of thing. They definitely have romanized equivalents to Klingon orthography. Any accurate transliteration would probably take up *way* too much space on the mode-line -- it would probably obliterate all other mode-line information. Of course, that might just be the Klingon Way too. Also, I have been informed that Klingons in fact do not have dogs (see the attached) rendering much of this discussion a bit moot. Thanks again, all, and keep those barks coming! -- Franklin attached: (1) code excerpt from current epop3mail.el (note: some of the diacritical marks get may stripped by my mail server; they're there in the code itself. E.g., "Glafs!" has a diaresis above the 'a'). (2) communication from Dr. Lawrence H. Schoen -----------------------------8<---- cut here ----8<--------------------------- (standard-display-european 1) (defvar epop3-barks (vector ;; in alpha (romanized) order "Arf!" ; american english "Au Au!" ; portuguese "Bau Bau!" ; italian "Bhav!" ; hindi? (if not, indian at least) "Boj' Boj'!" ; esperanto "Bow-wow!" ; american english "Bup Bup!" ; catalan "Gaf Gaf!" ; ukrainian "Gav Gav!" ; greek, russian "Gläfs!" ; swedish (small dog) "Gong Gong!" ; indonesian "Guau Guau!" ; spanish "Hau Hau!" ; finnish "Hav Hav!" ; hebrew, turkish "Haw Haw!" ; arabic (algerian) "Hoàng Hoàng!" ; thai "Mung Mung!" ; korean "Ouah Ouah!" ; french "Rowf!" ; american english "Ruff!" ; american english "Vau Vau!" ; hungarian "Voff!" ; swedish (big dog), norwegian "Voo Voo!" ; swedish "Vov Vov!" ; swedish, norwegian "Vuf!" ; finnish "Wan Wan!" ; japanese "Wau!" ; german (sounds like 'Vau') "Woef!" ; afrikaans, dutch "Woof!" ; american english "Wuff!" ; german (sounds like 'Vuff') "Wóng Wóng!" ; (mandarin) chinese "Yap!" ; american english (small dog) "Yip!" ; american english (small dog) ) "i18n of dog barks for 'biff' -- more languages are needed!. Note: the preponderance of american-english barks is due only to the author's excessive familiarity with the subtleties of this dialect and is not meant to be an imperialist cultural statement. ;-)") -----------------------------8<---- cut here ----8<--------------------------- X-Sender: lawrence@205.186.156.5 In-Reply-To: <3367-Tue30Dec1997124148-0500-flee@lehman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:27:19 -0400 To: flee@lehman.COM From: "Dr. Lawrence M. Schoen" Subject: Re: Question about animal sounds in Klingon. >Hi there. I am writing a program in which I would like to display the >equivalent of a dog's bark in response to certain events. In English, >this might be transcribed as "woof!". German dogs "wau!" and "wuff!". > >How do Klingon dogs bark? (the equivalent in Roman alphabet would be >nice). I'm asking so that I can make this program multi-lingual. > >If Klingons do not have dogs, perhaps you can give me the sound that >Klingon domestic animals do make (also the name of these creatures >too, for reference). I am sure that Klingons have 'watchdog' type >animals, don't they? Franklin, An interesting idea, but I'm afraid I can't help you. I've never heard a Klingon targ bark, so I don't know how to render the sound alphabetically. Lawrence :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Dr Lawrence M Schoen, Director :: The KLI is a nonprofit :: :: The Klingon Language Institute :: tax exempt corporation :: :: POB 634, Flourtown, PA 19031 USA :: DaH HuchlIj'e' ghonob :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: lawrence@kli.org :: http://www.kli.org :: 215/836-4955 :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -----------------------------8<---- cut here ----8<--------------------------- -- Franklin Lee email: flee@lehman.com Lehman Brothers, Inc. 3 World Financial Center vox: (212) 526-7127 8th Floor fax: (212) 526-3817 New York, NY 10285