From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62400 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.mail.mh-e.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: MH-E and Gnus tool bar icons Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:23 -0800 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <25529.1143224663@olgas.newt.com> References: <11716.1142652302@olgas.newt.com> <15928.1142811370@olgas.newt.com> <27064.1142987375@olgas.newt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1143224724 15019 80.91.229.2 (24 Mar 2006 18:25:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 24 19:25:16 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists-outbound.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.225]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMqy8-0002To-8Y for gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:25:04 +0100 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net (sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net [10.3.1.7]) by sc8-sf-spam2.sourceforge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E96813ED9; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:25:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.91] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FMqxX-0004nA-3V for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:27 -0800 Original-Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.61]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FMqxV-0000Qj-Q3 for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:27 -0800 Original-Received: from h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.166.37.206] helo=olgas.newt.com) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FMqxT-0004wM-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:24:23 -0500 Original-Received: by olgas.newt.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3B35316FE8; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from olgas.newt.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olgas.newt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B616FA8; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org, mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org, mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-reply-to: <27064.1142987375@olgas.newt.com> Comments: In-reply-to Bill Wohler message dated "Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:29:35 -0800." X-Mailer: MH-E 7.93+cvs; nmh 1.1; GNU Emacs 22.0.50.19 X-Image-URL: http://www.newt.com/wohler/images/bill-diving.png X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 1.0 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO Original-Sender: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Forum for the MH-E developers List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:23 -0800 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.mail.mh-e.devel:12035 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62400 Archived-At: After talking with the GNOME usability folks, I found out that the old GNOME arrow (and other) icons used green and this is what GTK is using. The reason we still see green arrows in our GNOME apps is because of a bug whereby the GNOME icons have different names from the GTK icons and are therefore not overriding them. This has been fixed in GNOME 2.15 (so I guess we'd see it in GNOME 2.16). So, for this release of Emacs, and until 2.16 is in wide release, I'd suggest we stick with the GTK-themed icons (with the green arrows), which you can browse at http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtk%2B/gtk/stock-icons/ or check out with cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co gtk+/gtk/stock-icons Comparing these icons with the current Emacs icons, I see the following discrepancies in which the GTK version should be used. - I'll revert my blue right-arrow and left-arrow icons back to the green GTK versions. The refresh icon also needs to be reverted to the green GTK version from the blue GNOME version. - sort-ascending and sort-descending are diagonal in Emacs (and GNOME), but vertical in GTK. - info is a question mark in Emacs, but a blue i symbol in GTK. The dialog-info icon is a lightbulb in GNOME, but some themes have both so I'm not sure we can compare here. - search-replace is similar to but different to gtk-find-and-replace and different again to GNOME's search-and-replace. If that works for everyone, I'll float the suggested replaces (along with the above explanation) to emacs-devel before making the updates. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. 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