Re: No bug, just a hint to GKNSA

Re: No bug, just a hint to GKNSA

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Christoph Conrad <christoph.conrad@gmx.de> writes:

> I would like to give a pointer to
>
> <http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa>
>
> ,----
> | A few years ago, Ron Newman wrote a document intended to describe
> | minimal standards for decent net-behaviour, in an effort to
> | encourage newsreader authors to write better behaving newsreaders.
> | Thus came the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval, GNKSA 1.2 in
> | short, into being.
> | 
> | Things changed rapidly, however: a vast army of new users stormed
> | the Internet and Usenet, often using new generations of tools that
> | displayed forms of bad behaviour unimagined before. This called
> | for a serious effort to bring the GNKSA up to date; for that
> | reason, I, Jeroen Scheerder, took the liberty to undertake the
> | venture of revamping GNKSA.
> | 
> | After I asked him, Ron kindly handed the GNKSA off to me. The
> | result of all this: GNKSA 2.0. For brevity's sake I will omit
> | version numbering whenever possible without causing confusion.
> `----
>
> Maybe it helps to lift Gnus to 100% fulfilling the criterias (if you
> agree with them, of course...)
>
> Gnus 5.8 rated at 95% with failing two MUSTS.
>
> <http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/Evaluations/gnus-5.8.txt>

,----
| Regarding the strict GNKSA requirements (MUSTs), Gnus 5.8
| FAILS on the following points:
| 
|     11b  Will not refuse to post articles without subject
|     12b  Fails to refuse to post messages with syntactically incorrect From:
| 
| Gnus 5.8 violates `soft' GNKSA requirements (SHOULDs)
| in the following way:
| 
|     3c   Fails to encourage setting a Followup-To on large crossposts
|     7e   Fails to omit `broken' Message-IDs.
|     16b  Does not refuse posting an empty article
|     16d  Does not refuse to post quoted text only
|     16f  Does not try to prevent posting multiple copies entirely
`----

I don't think 11b, 12b, 3c, and 7e are issues in 5.8.  At least in
<http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/Evaluations/gnus-5.070044.txt>, they
don't fail.  And 16b, 16d and 16f have been fixed in oGnus.  

Thoughts?

ShengHuo

Re: No bug, just a hint to GKNSA

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> |     11b  Will not refuse to post articles without subject
> |     12b  Fails to refuse to post messages with syntactically incorrect From:

[...]

> I don't think 11b, 12b, 3c, and 7e are issues in 5.8.  At least in
> <http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/Evaluations/gnus-5.070044.txt>, they
> don't fail.  And 16b, 16d and 16f have been fixed in oGnus.  
>
> Thoughts?

I just tried posting with an empty subject, and I was denied posting.
So that seems ok.  But then I posted an article with a From header
that says "Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen larsi@gnus.org>", and it was
posted.  That has to be invalid, right?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: No bug, just a hint to GKNSA

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:
>
>> |     11b  Will not refuse to post articles without subject
>> |     12b  Fails to refuse to post messages with syntactically incorrect From:
>
> [...]
>
>> I don't think 11b, 12b, 3c, and 7e are issues in 5.8.  At least in
>> <http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/Evaluations/gnus-5.070044.txt>, they
>> don't fail.  And 16b, 16d and 16f have been fixed in oGnus.  
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> I just tried posting with an empty subject, and I was denied posting.
> So that seems ok.  But then I posted an article with a From header
> that says "Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen larsi@gnus.org>", and it was
> posted.  That has to be invalid, right?

Fixed.

ShengHuo