From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/27964 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Shenghuo ZHU Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Brian May's `Re: Bugs in PGnus' article jams Gnus Date: 08 Dec 1999 20:11:16 -0500 Organization: U of Rochester Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <2n9034ude3.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> References: <877liqx43y.fsf@senstation.vvf.fi> <2n66ya1xv3.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> <2npuwiwsoe.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035164896 27348 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:48:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from bart.math.uh.edu (bart.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.48]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15900 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:12:30 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAB23098; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:12:13 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:12:23 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14099 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:12:05 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhop1.nyroc.rr.com (mailhop1-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.166]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15879 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:11:26 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com ([10.92.226.81]) by mailhop1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from heart.cs.rochester.edu ([24.24.58.252]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:09:10 -0500 Original-Received: (from zsh@localhost) by heart.cs.rochester.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01679; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:11:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: tiger.jia.vnet: zsh set sender to zsh@cs.rochester.edu using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Attribution: ZSH X-Face: 'IF:e51ib'Qbl^(}l^&4-J`'P!@[4~O|&k#:@Gld#b/]oMq&`&FVY._3+b`mzp~Jeve~/#/ ERD!OTe<86UhyN=l`mrPY)M7_}`Ktt\K+58Z!hu7>qU,i.N7TotU[FYE(f1;}`g2xj!u*l`^&=Q!g{ *q|ddto|nkt"$r,K$[)"|6,elPH= GJ6Q In-Reply-To: Brian May's message of "09 Dec 1999 11:46:52 +1100" Original-Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27964 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:27964 >>>>> "Brian" == Brian May writes: >>>>> "ZSH" == Shenghuo ZHU writes: ZSH> In XEmacs (From the header of the message, I know Brian May use ZSH> it), the message contains `\207', which is a `control-1' ZSH> characters and some other `latin-iso8859-1' characters, therefore ZSH> Gnus used multiply charsets to encode it. Actually, Gnus can ZSH> handle it as `iso8859-1'. So I fixed it in latest CVS. ZSH> In Emacs `\207' is an `ascii' characters, so such a message will ZSH> not happen in Emacs. Brian> I remain skeptical that this has fixed the problem. What Brian> happens if I send mail, with another control character, that Brian> really is non-ASCII? `\207' is only an example. Brian> Why does Gnus have to split the message when it sees a 'bad' Brian> character? Now Gnus treats all `bad character' (can not find a MIME charset) as ASCII. Emacs does this. Brian> Why can't it encode the entire message, in the same way? If characters are not in one charset. Brian> Also, another question: when I saw the my message (from the URL Brian> previously given), Gnus used 8 bit encoding. I thought 8 bit Brian> encoding meant no encoding at all, and was considered a bad Brian> idea for non-ASCII characters? Where am I wrong? For Gnus, 8 bit encoding meant no encoding at all. Some MTA's do not like 8 bit encoding, so they translate it to base64 or QP. Any other opinions? -- Shenghuo