* vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? @ 2001-01-02 15:24 Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 10:31 ` Kevin A. Burton 2001-01-03 13:50 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-02 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Greetings, Is anyone working on this? I'd interested because we just moved to an M$ Exchange system and now people want to use its calendar stuff to schedule meetings etc. Exchange forwards all my mail to a Unix system where I use Gnus to read it (and I use nnimap for few public folders, otherwise I wouldn't have to touch the Exchange server) but it would be nice to handle calendar stuff with Gnus+Emacs as well so that I wouldn't have to run vmware+Outlook (unless Helixgnome's Evolution alredy works for this purpose; I haven't checked yet) just for that purpose. -- Hannu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-02 15:24 vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-03 10:31 ` Kevin A. Burton 2001-01-03 17:17 ` Charles Sebold 2001-01-03 13:50 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Kevin A. Burton @ 2001-01-03 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes: > Greetings, > > Is anyone working on this? I'd interested because we just moved to > an M$ Exchange system and now people want to use its calendar stuff > to schedule meetings etc. Exchange forwards all my mail to a Unix > system where I use Gnus to read it (and I use nnimap for few public > folders, otherwise I wouldn't have to touch the Exchange server) > but it would be nice to handle calendar stuff with Gnus+Emacs as > well so that I wouldn't have to run vmware+Outlook (unless > Helixgnome's Evolution alredy works for this purpose; I haven't > checked yet) just for that purpose. I thought about this a while back... ....... I don't think I want Calendar stuff within Emacs. Startup up Gnome Calendar... how would you have such a nice interface within Emacs??? You can't :(... it wouldn't be nice :( The current Gnome Calendar support iCalendar streams and this is what I currently use. I believe that some people have started doing this with desktop-calendar.el (check your Emacs Lisp List) but it is buggy (IMO) and looks like it isn't being developed anymore. It would still be nice to have all the Emacs lisp magic.............. Kevin - -- Kevin A. Burton ( burton@apache.org, burton@openprivacy.org, burtonator@acm.org ) Cell: 408-910-6145 URL: http://relativity.yi.org ICQ: 73488596 To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. - Sun Tzu, 300 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt iD8DBQE6Uv+JAwM6xb2dfE0RAlAvAKCoNFmb1MR6V2lXDg4YpQ7VpnnsfgCgxOGu UZBxoxWhs4c3BWjBlXD6w2c= =QNG3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- NSA Ft. Bragg assassination FBI Albanian PLO Waco, Texas $400 million in gold bullion Kennedy arrangements nuclear AK-47 Nazi Qaddafi cryptographic ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 10:31 ` Kevin A. Burton @ 2001-01-03 17:17 ` Charles Sebold 2001-01-03 17:55 ` Kai Großjohann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Charles Sebold @ 2001-01-03 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) On 8 Teveth 5761, Kevin A. Burton wrote: > I thought about this a while back... ....... I don't think I want > Calendar stuff within Emacs. Startup up Gnome Calendar... how would > you have such a nice interface within Emacs??? You can't :(... it > wouldn't be nice :( I just fired up GNOME Calendar for the first time, to see the nice interface. Eh. It doesn't look particularly groundbreaking to me. But perhaps I don't have the latest one. (I did update to the latest Helix GNOME recently, though.) I don't see any reason why: 1) all of those interfaces couldn't be replicated in Emacs, or 2) why you would want your calendar so "far away," in an application sense, from your mail client, current todo lists, diary, appointment reminders, etc. Of course if you aren't doing all this in Emacs already, then perhaps it isn't that big of a deal for you. Also, it would be nice to be able to deal with this from a tty, rather than requiring an X11 interface every time I need to consult it. > It would still be nice to have all the Emacs lisp magic.............. _This_ strikes me as being the most important thing. If the calendar not only could speak this distributed-calendar language that all these Outlook users rave about, but could be customized and automated in Emacs Lisp....well, I might actually have to use it. That said, I haven't seen the need in my own work to automate my own schedule that completely. And if it ever did become so overwhelming that I could no longer figure out when I was free for a meeting, or send someone a copy of my to-do list...well, I should think my employer could pay for a secretary for me then. That would have to be an astounding work load. Maybe if I was the CEO or something. (Just my opinion. But this feature creep seems to be getting sillier by the minute to me.) -- Charles Sebold Random Answer to an Emacs Very Frequently Asked Question: Change from Unix to Mac or DOS files using M-x set-buffer-file-coding-system. -- 8th of Teveth, 5761 -- Zippy: Griffy, I think th' INTERNET may come from the DEVIL... Griffy: He's definitely got a piece of Ebay. -- Zippy the Pinhead, 20 November 2000 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 17:17 ` Charles Sebold @ 2001-01-03 17:55 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-01-03 18:14 ` Charles Sebold 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-01-03 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On 03 Jan 2001, Charles Sebold wrote: > That said, I haven't seen the need in my own work to automate my own > schedule that completely. And if it ever did become so overwhelming > that I could no longer figure out when I was free for a meeting, or > send someone a copy of my to-do list...well, I should think my > employer could pay for a secretary for me then. I think the idea is that you can see other people's schedules. And if you want to meet with four other people, an automatic intersection of all free times might be nice. Of course, if you would overlay the five schedules on top of each other, you could also see at a glance when there are time slots that are free for everybody. Just my two cents, kai -- ~/.signature ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 17:55 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-01-03 18:14 ` Charles Sebold 2001-01-27 5:55 ` Amos Gouaux 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Charles Sebold @ 2001-01-03 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw) On 8 Teveth 5761, Kai Großjohann wrote: > I think the idea is that you can see other people's schedules. And if > you want to meet with four other people, an automatic intersection of > all free times might be nice. Of course, if you would overlay the > five schedules on top of each other, you could also see at a glance > when there are time slots that are free for everybody. I suppose that could be handy. Still can't picture the need, though. I regularly have meeting with 2-10 people, we're all quite busy (not that you'd know it from my posting history here), but figuring out when we're all free is not that big of a hassle. Then they are able to make priority decisions too (like, can I bump this schedule item so we can have our meeting?). But perhaps this system considers all that? -- Charles Sebold Random Answer to an Emacs Very Frequently Asked Question: Try it with emacs -q --no-site-file to be sure that it isn't your .emacs. -- 8th of Teveth, 5761 -- Daily Affirmation: In some cultures what I do would be considered normal. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 18:14 ` Charles Sebold @ 2001-01-27 5:55 ` Amos Gouaux 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Amos Gouaux @ 2001-01-27 5:55 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> On 03 Jan 2001 12:14:01 -0600, >>>>> Charles Sebold <csebold@ezl.com> (cs) writes: cs> On 8 Teveth 5761, Kai Großjohann wrote: >> I think the idea is that you can see other people's schedules. And if >> you want to meet with four other people, an automatic intersection of >> all free times might be nice. Of course, if you would overlay the >> five schedules on top of each other, you could also see at a glance >> when there are time slots that are free for everybody. cs> I suppose that could be handy. Still can't picture the need, though. I This, and the ability to share calendars, is a big part why the Exchange Imperium is fixin to sweep over our campus. Department heads want to be able to allow their administrative assistants to manage their calendar, which is not an unreasonable requirement. We've spent a fair bit of time, effort, and money to have a reasonably fast and reliable mail system (relying mostly on Cyrus). However, without calendaring, it may very well turn out that much of this effort was in vain. -- Amos ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-02 15:24 vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 10:31 ` Kevin A. Burton @ 2001-01-03 13:50 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman 2001-01-03 15:01 ` Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 15:47 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jaap-Henk Hoepman @ 2001-01-03 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: azure I really would love this too (not necessarily within gnus though). Problem is that IMAP appears not to be enough to access the calender and contact items stored on the Exchange server. You can get the subjects, but not the date and time of the appointment. Apparantly MAPI is needed to access these other details. Anybody any ideas? Jaap-Henk On 02 Jan 2001 17:24:54 +0200 Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes: > Greetings, > > Is anyone working on this? I'd interested because we just moved to > an M$ Exchange system and now people want to use its calendar stuff > to schedule meetings etc. Exchange forwards all my mail to a Unix > system where I use Gnus to read it (and I use nnimap for few public > folders, otherwise I wouldn't have to touch the Exchange server) > but it would be nice to handle calendar stuff with Gnus+Emacs as > well so that I wouldn't have to run vmware+Outlook (unless > Helixgnome's Evolution alredy works for this purpose; I haven't > checked yet) just for that purpose. > > -- > Hannu > -- Jaap-Henk Hoepman | Come sail your ships around me Dept. of Computer Science | And burn your bridges down University of Twente | Nick Cave - "Ship Song" Email: hoepman@cs.utwente.nl === WWW: www.cs.utwente.nl/~hoepman Phone: +31 53 4893795 === Secr: +31 53 4893770 === Fax: +31 53 4894590 PGP ID: 0xF52E26DD Fingerprint: 1AED DDEB C7F1 DBB3 0556 4732 4217 ABEF ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 13:50 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman @ 2001-01-03 15:01 ` Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 16:48 ` Chris Shenton ` (2 more replies) 2001-01-03 15:47 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-03 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Jaap-Henk Hoepman <hoepman@cs.utwente.nl> writes: [FWIW, since no one seems to be working on this, I'm going to at least start reading iCalendar RFCs.] [I don't want copies of list mail. Let's see if Mail-Followup-To will help.] | I really would love this too (not necessarily within gnus though). Problem is This "within <xyz>" issue is something I need to get back to. First those RFCs, though, so that I can see what kind of functionality will be involved. Gnus will probably be just one way to get requests from mails, send replies etc. with some keybinding sugar for this in some nnml-derived group or something. | that IMAP appears not to be enough to access the calender and contact items First of all, for my purpose the Exchange server needs not be involved at all. That is, a system that lets me to keep the calendar data on Emacs-based software is enough --- I don't need to (or rather: I don't want to) access it from Exchange too. Of course, sharing calendar stuff with Exchange might be a cool addition for some users, but it's something that probably someone else needs to take a look at, though I don't think there's much to look at --- at least... | stored on the Exchange server. You can get the subjects, but not the date and | time of the appointment. Apparantly MAPI is needed to access these other ...I can get those (well, I don't know about contact items). Oh, I haven't tested and I don't really care about anything older than Exchange 2000 (I recall older Exchanges work in a different way and I think MAPI or some even less documented, hopeless thingamajig was indeed involved). Perhaps you think of some older Exchange? -- Hannu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 15:01 ` Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-03 16:48 ` Chris Shenton 2001-01-04 4:20 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2001-01-09 16:58 ` Paul Jarc 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Chris Shenton @ 2001-01-03 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw) On 03 Jan 2001 17:01:27 +0200, Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> said: Hannu> for my purpose the Exchange server needs not be involved at Hannu> all. That is, a system that lets me to keep the calendar data Hannu> on Emacs-based software is enough --- I don't need to (or Hannu> rather: I don't want to) access it from Exchange too. Of Hannu> course, sharing calendar stuff with Exchange might be a cool Hannu> addition for some users, but it's something that probably Hannu> someone else needs to take a look at, though I don't think Hannu> there's much to look at --- at least... Ditto for me, but I think the architecture should support a variety of calendar backends. Perhaps some native UNIX one, Palm, Hexchange, ... Synchronization is important with any of these backends. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 15:01 ` Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 16:48 ` Chris Shenton @ 2001-01-04 4:20 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2001-01-09 16:58 ` Paul Jarc 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: ShengHuo ZHU @ 2001-01-04 4:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes: > Jaap-Henk Hoepman <hoepman@cs.utwente.nl> writes: > > [FWIW, since no one seems to be working on this, I'm going to at > least start reading iCalendar RFCs.] I am working on iCalendar. Currently, it can parse and generate vCalendar format and one can view (simple) VEVENTs in Gnus groups. I need more time to implement the RRULEs and others. ShengHuo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 15:01 ` Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 16:48 ` Chris Shenton 2001-01-04 4:20 ` ShengHuo ZHU @ 2001-01-09 16:58 ` Paul Jarc 2001-01-09 17:03 ` ShengHuo ZHU 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2001-01-09 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes: > [I don't want copies of list mail. Let's see if Mail-Followup-To > will help.] I submitted a (rudimentary) patch for that a while ago. ShengHuo said it was committed in CVS, but it seems not to have made it into the 5.8.8 release. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-09 16:58 ` Paul Jarc @ 2001-01-09 17:03 ` ShengHuo ZHU 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: ShengHuo ZHU @ 2001-01-09 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes: > > [I don't want copies of list mail. Let's see if Mail-Followup-To > > will help.] > > I submitted a (rudimentary) patch for that a while ago. ShengHuo said > it was committed in CVS, but it seems not to have made it into the > 5.8.8 release. It is in oGnus v0.01. ShengHuo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 13:50 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman 2001-01-03 15:01 ` Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-03 15:47 ` Kai Großjohann 2001-01-03 16:23 ` William M. Perry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2001-01-03 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding, azure On 03 Jan 2001, Jaap-Henk Hoepman wrote: > I really would love this too (not necessarily within gnus > though). Problem is that IMAP appears not to be enough to access the > calender and contact items stored on the Exchange server. You can > get the subjects, but not the date and time of the > appointment. Apparantly MAPI is needed to access these other > details. If I were to implement such stuff, I'd put the additional information into some hidden message header fields. So that's probably precisely what Microsoft did not do. But I think it doesn't hurt to do `C-u g' on such a message just to be sure. kai -- ~/.signature ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 15:47 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2001-01-03 16:23 ` William M. Perry 2001-01-03 16:44 ` Hannu Koivisto 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: William M. Perry @ 2001-01-03 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Jaap-Henk Hoepman, ding, azure Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > On 03 Jan 2001, Jaap-Henk Hoepman wrote: > > > I really would love this too (not necessarily within gnus > > though). Problem is that IMAP appears not to be enough to access the > > calender and contact items stored on the Exchange server. You can > > get the subjects, but not the date and time of the > > appointment. Apparantly MAPI is needed to access these other > > details. > > If I were to implement such stuff, I'd put the additional information > into some hidden message header fields. So that's probably precisely > what Microsoft did not do. But I think it doesn't hurt to do `C-u g' on > such a message just to be sure. I can forward a bunch of meeting requests I have sitting in my incoming mail if anybody wants. There does not seem to be anything in the headers that is interesting though. Just the standard set. The only X- headers are from gnus. The only thing that is similar is the message always starts with: ----> cut here <---- When: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:30 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. Where: @The Roaster *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ----> cut here <---- Maybe a washing function could be used for these (probably old-style messages). I know we are not running exchange 2000. -bp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 16:23 ` William M. Perry @ 2001-01-03 16:44 ` Hannu Koivisto 2001-01-03 17:06 ` William M. Perry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-03 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kai Großjohann, Jaap-Henk Hoepman, ding wmperry@aventail.com (William M. Perry) writes: | Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: | | > On 03 Jan 2001, Jaap-Henk Hoepman wrote: | > | > > I really would love this too (not necessarily within gnus | > > though). Problem is that IMAP appears not to be enough to access the | > > calender and contact items stored on the Exchange server. You can | > > get the subjects, but not the date and time of the | > > appointment. Apparantly MAPI is needed to access these other | > > details. | > | > If I were to implement such stuff, I'd put the additional information | > into some hidden message header fields. So that's probably precisely Uh, you would need quite a lot of header data. Anyways, in Microsoft's case the relevant information is fortunately not in the header fields, it's in the body... | > what Microsoft did not do. But I think it doesn't hurt to do `C-u g' on | > such a message just to be sure. ...but `C-u g' is a good thing to do anyway, because Gnus doesn't display the relevant MIME part by default. | The only thing that is similar is the message always starts with: Yeah, but that's just a mostly useless informal version of the iCalendar REQUEST, which is in the next MIME part... | ----> cut here <---- | When: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:30 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time | (US & Canada); Tijuana. | Where: @The Roaster | | *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* | ----> cut here <---- | | Maybe a washing function could be used for these (probably old-style | messages). I know we are not running exchange 2000. ...at least in Exchange 2000. I think there should be a second part in earlier Exchange messages too, but perhaps it's not iCalendar stuff. In any case, if what you cut away was actually not usable information, while it might be "nice" to be able to parse even that informal version, it probably isn't very useful in practise, because you probably cannot reply to the request (here I'm not meaning iCalendar request as this all was assuming that the clipped part was not iCalendar stuff in that earlier Exchange). -- Hannu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 16:44 ` Hannu Koivisto @ 2001-01-03 17:06 ` William M. Perry 2001-01-18 18:59 ` Toby Speight 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: William M. Perry @ 2001-01-03 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Hannu Koivisto <azure@iki.fi> writes: > wmperry@aventail.com (William M. Perry) writes: > > | Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > | > | > On 03 Jan 2001, Jaap-Henk Hoepman wrote: > | > > | > > I really would love this too (not necessarily within gnus > | > > though). Problem is that IMAP appears not to be enough to access the > | > > calender and contact items stored on the Exchange server. You can > | > > get the subjects, but not the date and time of the > | > > appointment. Apparantly MAPI is needed to access these other > | > > details. > | > > | > If I were to implement such stuff, I'd put the additional information > | > into some hidden message header fields. So that's probably precisely > > Uh, you would need quite a lot of header data. Anyways, in Microsoft's > case the relevant information is fortunately not in the header fields, > it's in the body... > > | > what Microsoft did not do. But I think it doesn't hurt to do `C-u g' on > | > such a message just to be sure. > > ...but `C-u g' is a good thing to do anyway, because Gnus doesn't > display the relevant MIME part by default. For me, there is no other MIME part. The content-type of the main message is text/plain (charset of iso-8859-1), and there is nothing else in the message. No iCalendar or vCalendar at all. All hail exchange and its many faces! -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: vCalendar/iCalendar support for Gnus? 2001-01-03 17:06 ` William M. Perry @ 2001-01-18 18:59 ` Toby Speight 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Toby Speight @ 2001-01-18 18:59 UTC (permalink / raw) 0> In article <86bstopntx.fsf@megalith.bp.aventail.com>, 0> William M. Perry <URL:mailto:wmperry@aventail.com> ("Bill") wrote: Bill> All hail Exchange and its many faces! You seem to be missing the letter 'e' ^^ here. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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