From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33963 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ShengHuo ZHU Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Releases Date: 30 Dec 2000 16:50:26 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <2nwvchr331.fsf@tiger.jia.vnet> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169975 27887 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:12:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366EDD04A0 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:31:29 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAB13309; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:50:36 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:49:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24248 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:49:47 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from zsh.yi.org (d185fc155.rochester.rr.com [24.95.193.85]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC855D04A0 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:50:12 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from zsh@localhost) by zsh.yi.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBULoQs08691; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:50:26 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Attribution: ZSH X-Face: 'IF:e51ib'Qbl^(}l^&4-J`'P!@[4~O|&k#:@Gld#b/]oMq&`&FVY._3+b`mzp~Jeve~/#/ ERD!OTe<86UhyN=l`mrPY)M7_}`Ktt\K+58Z!hu7>qU,i.N7TotU[FYE(f1;}`g2xj!u*l`^&=Q!g{ *q|ddto|nkt"$r,K$[)"|6,elPH= GJ6Q In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 68 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) Emacs/20.7 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33963 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33963 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > > > Create a patch of the differences between 5.8.7 and 5.9 and delete > > from this patch everything which deletes features, such as the s/mime > > stuff and so on. Then, apply this patch to 5.8.7, giving 5.8.8. > > > > What do you think about this? > > Oy vey. Sounds like work. :-) This may not work. Actually, the code in Emacs 21 CVS, namely 5.9, may break in Emacs 20 or XEmacs. Without testing, I don't think it should be released. BTW, the S/MIME stuff is not in 5.9. > > Another thought is: right now, it seems that people haven't really > > added features to ognus like crazy. So maybe the current ognus looks > > more like a bugfix release of 5.8? So one idea would be to rechristen > > ognus as 5.8 and release that as 5.8.8. But that would mean a lot of > > fiddling with the release/branch structure. Hm. > > Well, there's lots of GPG (and stuff) in ognus now, which probably > counts as new features... New features for 5.8.8? It will confuse people that the new features in 5.8.8 disappear in 5.9. > > Yet ANOTHER thought: release 5.8.7 again, only this time with > > mail-source-delete-incoming set to the right value :-) > > That's definitely an idea. :-) > > > Are there serious bugs in 5.8.7? I vaguely remember that I have > > told people to fetch a 5.8.8 snapshot quite a number of times, but I > > don't remember the details. > > Gack. I wish I did. But there must have been a reason for me to > > do so. Hm. > > There were lotsa problems with 5.8.6, but (so far in my reading of > gnu.emacs.gnus), there doesn't seem to be any major problems with > 5.8.7 (except `mail-source-delete-incoming'). Another bug is in nnslashdot, which was fixed in early July. > > > And there was some talk about not doing any alpha releases any more, > > > but just keep that in cvs... > > > > Hm. That's an idea. Hm. I think it would be nice to keep the > > snapshots, though. Maybe there are people out there for whom CVS is a > > real hassle but who would still like access to the development > > sources. Maybe if you keep a week's worth of daily snapshots? > > One reason for not doing alpha releases is that (as we saw during > Pterodactyl), more people used the alpha releases than probably should > have. I mean, they're supposed to be very unstable. > > One reason for doing alpha releases is that it's very nice to have > names for development. One can easily say "This problem cropped up > when I upgraded from ognus-0.45 for ognus-0.49", while it's a bit more > difficult saying "I had a cvs version, and then I did "cvs up" a > couple of days ago, and this problem cropped up"... What about doing a few relatively stable releases instead of doing every alpha releases. ShengHuo