smtpmail and gnus-agentize

smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[Kai Großjohann]

I guess many people might have the following two lines in their
~/.gnus, amongst others:

    (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-sent-it)
    (gnus-agentize)

Of course, the second line changes message-send-mail-function to the
one used by the agent.

And then, people start Gnus again, and then ~/.gnus is read again, and
then the setq is evaled again, but (gnus-agentize) does not change
message-send-mail-function again!

Maybe this is not a bug, but surely it's counter-intuitive.  Do you
think it should be changed?

kai
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Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[Sriram Karra]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Maybe this is not a bug, but surely it's counter-intuitive.  Do you
> think it should be changed?

You don't think it is a bug?  Nobody should be prevented from evaling
~/.gnus as many times as they want.  Gnus' behaviour in this aspect,
is thus clearly broken, IMHO.  

I had mailed about this a while back (without response); I did not
(still don't know) a "clean" solution.  I am forced to have this line
in my ~/.gnus before calling gnus-agentize.

  (setq gnus-agent-send-mail-function nil)

-karra

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Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> I guess many people might have the following two lines in their
> ~/.gnus, amongst others:
> 
>     (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-sent-it)
>     (gnus-agentize)
> 
> Of course, the second line changes message-send-mail-function to the
> one used by the agent.
> 
> And then, people start Gnus again, and then ~/.gnus is read again, and
> then the setq is evaled again, but (gnus-agentize) does not change
> message-send-mail-function again!
> 
> Maybe this is not a bug, but surely it's counter-intuitive.  Do you
> think it should be changed?

Since message-send-mail-function is a customizable function, we'd
better not change it.  Now, message-send-mail-real-function is added
for internal use.

ShengHuo

Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[Kai Großjohann]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2001, ShengHuo ZHU wrote:

> Since message-send-mail-function is a customizable function, we'd
> better not change it.

What do you mean by this?  Do you mean that (gnus-agentize) should not
change the value of message-send-mail-function?

> Now, message-send-mail-real-function is added for internal use.

If my guess was right, then this sounds like the right thing to do.
Thanks!

kai
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Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2001, ShengHuo ZHU wrote:
> 
>> Since message-send-mail-function is a customizable function, we'd
>> better not change it.
> 
> What do you mean by this?  Do you mean that (gnus-agentize) should not
> change the value of message-send-mail-function?

Right.

>> Now, message-send-mail-real-function is added for internal use.
> 
> If my guess was right, then this sounds like the right thing to do.
> Thanks!

ShengHuo

Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[Michael Totschnig]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> wrote:

> Since message-send-mail-function is a customizable function, we'd
> better not change it.  Now, message-send-mail-real-function is added
> for internal use.

I updated CVS today, and now the following (which let me send mail
directly without queuing by Agent) does no longer work:

(gnus-agentize)
(setq gnus-plugged nil)
(setq message-send-mail-function 'message-send-mail-with-sendmail)

after reading this thread, I thought I'd have to put
(setq message-send-mail-function 'message-send-mail-with-sendmail)
before
(gnus-agentize)

but that does not work either. Since you say
message-send-mail-real-function is for internal use, I conclude, that
it is not meant to be costumized. But how then, can I have my mail
sent directly?

TIA,
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Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Michael Totschnig <totschnig.michael@courrier.uqam.ca> writes:

> ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Since message-send-mail-function is a customizable function, we'd
>> better not change it.  Now, message-send-mail-real-function is added
>> for internal use.
> 
> I updated CVS today, and now the following (which let me send mail
> directly without queuing by Agent) does no longer work:
> 
> (gnus-agentize)
> (setq gnus-plugged nil)
> (setq message-send-mail-function 'message-send-mail-with-sendmail)
> 
> after reading this thread, I thought I'd have to put
> (setq message-send-mail-function 'message-send-mail-with-sendmail)
> before
> (gnus-agentize)
> 
> but that does not work either. Since you say
> message-send-mail-real-function is for internal use, I conclude, that
> it is not meant to be costumized. But how then, can I have my mail
> sent directly?

How about

(setq gnus-agent-send-mail-function message-send-mail-function)
(gnus-agentize)

ShengHuo

Re: smtpmail and gnus-agentize

[Michael Totschnig]

ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> wrote:
 
> How about
> 
> (setq gnus-agent-send-mail-function message-send-mail-function)
> (gnus-agentize)

thank you!

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