From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80286 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: RE: smtp crap Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: <36B3B18DC5304E83AC8888DA9FDB9E4D@us.oracle.com> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com><58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com><83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318311527 16123 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 05:38:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, miles@gnu.org, 'Eli Zaretskii' , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 07:38:42 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDV33-0003n6-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:38:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45075 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDV33-0004sx-Fg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:38:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54573) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDV30-0004sg-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:38:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDV2z-0006MC-Lo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:38:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:33258) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDV2r-0006Ij-Bj; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:38:29 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p9B5cQcA026275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:38:28 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9B5cQOt025047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:38:26 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt119.oracle.com (abhmt119.oracle.com [141.146.116.71]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p9B5cJ9r019485; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:38:20 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.50.234) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:38:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcyHx4eXj+54Wh0JQk+Rd4Y3R3irWgADokPQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4E93D654.01DC:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.117 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144869 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80286 Archived-At: > I assume that asking them to "first edit them in Emacs, then edit them > in their MUA" is worse than to just edit them in their MUA. No, that's a bad, unwarranted assumption. Some users might choose that, but it's important that users still be able to edit a bug report using Emacs, and then just paste it into their mail client. My non-Emacs mail client has lots of features that I take advantage of, but for plain-text editing Emacs is far better. There is no reason to force users to choose to either use Emacs for everything from editing to sending mail or use their mail client for everything.