* Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files. [not found] <E1RilkG-0001VX-GA@quimby.gnus.org> @ 2012-01-05 11:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2012-01-05 23:05 ` Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) Katsumi Yamaoka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-05 11:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Katsumi Yamaoka Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes: > Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files. Should this be done for files that haven't changed? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) 2012-01-05 11:58 ` [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-01-05 23:05 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Updating copyright years Glenn Morris ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2012-01-05 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: emacs-devel +Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes: >> Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files. Cf. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.diffs/112565 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.cvs/11711 > Should this be done for files that haven't changed? As for emacs-w3m and others I update the copyright years on a file only when having changed it for the first time in the year. But Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of every year regardless of having been changed or not. And as for those changes I worked as an engineer to merge changes made in Emacs and Gnus mutually (I've also updated some extra files, e.g. gnus-xmas.el and friends, though). I used to feel Emacs' way strange. Maybe updating the copyright years of Walt Disney's works every year is nonsense. But Emacs' way is alike to it. What is TRT? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years 2012-01-05 23:05 ` Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Glenn Morris 2012-01-05 23:54 ` Katsumi Yamaoka ` (2 more replies) 2012-01-07 1:45 ` Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) Stephen J. Turnbull 2012-01-07 4:16 ` Jason Rumney 2 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-01-05 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Katsumi Yamaoka; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of > every year regardless of having been changed or not. Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU Software": http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Notices To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have made nontrivial changes to the package. (Here we assume you're using a publicly accessible revision control server, so that every revision installed is also immediately and automatically published.) When you add the new year, it is not required to keep track of which files have seen significant changes in the new year and which have not. It is recommended and simpler to add the new year to all files in the package, and be done with it for the rest of the year. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Updating copyright years Glenn Morris @ 2012-01-05 23:54 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2012-01-07 0:13 ` Richard Stallman 2012-01-10 23:35 ` Randal L. Schwartz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2012-01-05 23:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel Glenn Morris wrote: > Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of >> every year regardless of having been changed or not. > Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in > admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU > Software": > http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Notices > To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have > made nontrivial changes to the package. (Here we assume you're using > a publicly accessible revision control server, so that every > revision installed is also immediately and automatically published.) > When you add the new year, it is not required to keep track of which > files have seen significant changes in the new year and which have > not. It is recommended and simpler to add the new year to all files > in the package, and be done with it for the rest of the year. This clalified. Thanks. I think it's ok for the Gnus trunk. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Updating copyright years Glenn Morris 2012-01-05 23:54 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2012-01-07 0:13 ` Richard Stallman 2012-01-10 23:35 ` Randal L. Schwartz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2012-01-07 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: yamaoka, ding, emacs-devel Our last legal advice is that the years are for when _Emacs_ changed, and Emacs has already changed this year. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Updating copyright years Glenn Morris 2012-01-05 23:54 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2012-01-07 0:13 ` Richard Stallman @ 2012-01-10 23:35 ` Randal L. Schwartz 2012-01-11 13:43 ` Ted Zlatanov 2012-01-11 19:39 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Randal L. Schwartz @ 2012-01-10 23:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: Katsumi Yamaoka, ding, emacs-devel >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: GM> Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of >> every year regardless of having been changed or not. GM> Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in GM> admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU GM> Software": That doesn't make it right, and I've gone on the record in the past arguing against it. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years 2012-01-10 23:35 ` Randal L. Schwartz @ 2012-01-11 13:43 ` Ted Zlatanov 2012-01-11 19:39 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-01-11 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: ding On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:35:34 -0800 merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: >>>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: GM> Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of >>> every year regardless of having been changed or not. GM> Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in GM> admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU GM> Software": RLS> That doesn't make it right, and I've gone on the record in the past RLS> arguing against it. Doesn't the act of modifying the file to insert the new year make the file modified and thus require the new year? Heh heh. (No opinion one way or the other, just found that amusing.) Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years 2012-01-10 23:35 ` Randal L. Schwartz 2012-01-11 13:43 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-01-11 19:39 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2012-01-11 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Randal L. Schwartz; +Cc: yamaoka, ding, emacs-devel We are following legal advice, and we will continue to follow it, so please don't argue about it here. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) 2012-01-05 23:05 ` Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) Katsumi Yamaoka 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Updating copyright years Glenn Morris @ 2012-01-07 1:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2012-01-07 4:16 ` Jason Rumney 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2012-01-07 1:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Katsumi Yamaoka; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel Katsumi Yamaoka writes: Hi, Katsumi! > I used to feel Emacs' way strange. Maybe updating the copyright > years of Walt Disney's works every year is nonsense. That can't be done because Walt is dead, and therefore cannot add to his works.[1] > But Emacs' way is alike to it. No, it's not. Emacs's source copyrights are updated every year because Emacs itself is different every year; but old copies of Emacs in any form do not have their copyrights updated. > What is TRT? Emacs's way. Copyright is weird, agreed, but given the way copyright works, Emacs does the right thing. Footnotes: [1] Of course, Congress regularly does something even more offensive (ie, extend the term of existing copyrights). But that's not the same as updating the copyright of an existing work. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) 2012-01-05 23:05 ` Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) Katsumi Yamaoka 2012-01-05 23:14 ` Updating copyright years Glenn Morris 2012-01-07 1:45 ` Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.) Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2012-01-07 4:16 ` Jason Rumney 2 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2012-01-07 4:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Katsumi Yamaoka; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes: > I used to feel Emacs' way strange. Maybe updating the copyright > years of Walt Disney's works every year is nonsense. But Emacs' > way is alike to it. What is TRT? Emacs is a single "work", so a single copyright date is appropriate. It is much less error prone to do it all in one sweep, as there is no risk of a developer making a change to a file (which may be in 11 months time) and forgetting to update the copyright notice. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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