From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'chad'" <yandros@MIT.EDU>, "'Emacs devel'" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
<ding@gnus.org>
Subject: RE: smtp crap
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:32:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <447111A2EC694399973999C249891686@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D117A6B-0C4E-4F13-AC0E-C64DAB66C996@mit.edu>
> > This is nothing but a regression - reporting a bug with `emacs
> > -Q' has never been a problem in past releases. Why burden
> > and confuse users now?
>
> I have personally seen dozens, of emacs bug reports sitting
> stuck in local mail queues, with the user having no idea that
> the bug never made it beyond the local workstation.
> I am not the only one to report this kind of problem.
> This type of configuration is (as near as we can tell) at
> least as common now than it was then.
Yes, that is undesirable.
The solution is to simply _mention_ in the bug-report instructions that "IF you
have no mail client and IF you have not yet configured Emacs itself as a mailer,
THEN invoke `M-x XYZ' to so configure it.", where XYZ is a command that leads
you down whatever configuration garden path is required.
IOW, again, let users explicitly _ask_ to configure Emacs, if they want to.
Forcing users to deal with this when they simply want to report a bug is not
TRT.
Yes, if there is no other choice for some user than to configure Emacs as a
mailer right then and there, s?he will do so - it's enough to explain it. But
all other users can pass over that information, which doesn't concern them. And
with this approach _no_ user is then forced into a configuration dialog: they
get that only on request.
See the subject line, as a reminder of what this is about: Separate the dialog
for email configuration from bug reporting. It's as simple as that. If some
users might need to configure email before being able to report a bug, fine -
they will. But that logical dependency does not require us to inflict an email
configuration dialog on everyone.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-26 22:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-08 2:02 Miles Bader
2011-10-08 4:14 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-08 6:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 7:03 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08 13:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-08 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 14:50 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2011-10-09 23:58 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 11:19 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-08 14:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-09 5:53 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-10 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:05 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-10 22:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-10 22:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 3:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 5:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 12:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 19:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 21:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 22:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 20:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 14:53 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 16:00 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-10-11 16:24 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 21:21 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:41 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-11 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 22:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 23:11 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12 0:01 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:04 ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 1:30 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-12 3:22 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 4:50 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-12 6:33 ` joakim
2011-10-12 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 10:24 ` joakim
2011-10-12 11:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 9:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:16 ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-12 14:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 14:47 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 15:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-10-12 11:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 8:17 ` David Engster
2011-10-08 8:52 ` Bastien
2011-10-08 12:36 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-08 14:10 ` Harry Putnam
2011-10-10 21:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 3:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-10 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 0:34 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 3:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 4:20 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 5:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-11 5:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 17:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 18:14 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-10-26 21:48 ` chad
2011-10-26 22:32 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-10-26 23:13 ` chad
2011-10-27 0:08 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 2:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27 0:23 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27 1:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09 1:28 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-10-09 6:06 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-09 14:55 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-10-08 2:08 Miles Bader
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