From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23534 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tony Lam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Date: 24 Jun 1999 12:00:26 -0700 Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <4jyu2rx77at.fsf@homeworld.Eng.Sun.Com> References: <4jywvwuyde2.fsf_-_@homeworld.Eng.Sun.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161249 2530 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:47:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15385 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAB01817; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:53:21 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:54:09 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19902 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15210 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27487; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from philly.Eng.Sun.COM (philly.Eng.Sun.COM [129.144.140.126]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id MAA17313; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: (from tonyl@localhost) by philly.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA00396; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 9-beta-4 I); Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Original-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE In-Reply-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "24 Jun 1999 11:14:03 +0200" Original-Lines: 29 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23534 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23534 * "kai" == Kai Grossjohann writes: kai> That's a valid point. But why do you cache messages in nnfolder kai> groups? All you need to do to keep the messages is not to mark kai> them as expirable (or as read if you use total-expire). The only consistent way to archive articles in place with mails and news is to use "*" to cache them. kai> Do you really want these messages on your disk twice? Initially yes, there will be two copies, but one will be soon expired. To me, consistent interface is more important than disk space used for a few duplicated messages. kai> See the variable gnus-uncacheable-groups to prevent caching for kai> mail groups. Tapping "*" on the article ignores this variable as well as gnus-use-cache thus unconditionally stores the article in cache. The only workaround is to settle down for two interfaces for archiving in mails and news: '?' for nnfolder group and '*' for nntp group (passive caching) and keep reminding myself which backend I'm using. Regards, Tony