From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/49008 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: spam filtering using IMAP ? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:38:17 -0500 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <4n4r8im7va.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042141084 31973 80.91.224.249 (9 Jan 2003 19:38:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18WiV7-0008J9-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:38:01 +0100 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18WiVn-00008O-00; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:38:43 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:39:39 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (sclp3.sclp.com [66.230.238.2]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19159 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:39:26 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 32970 invoked by alias); 9 Jan 2003 19:38:27 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 32965 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 19:38:27 -0000 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (134.174.9.41) by 66.230.238.6 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 19:38:27 -0000 Original-Received: from lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (lockgroove [134.174.9.133]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h09JcIW09452; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:38:18 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.0) id h09JcHN04035; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:38:17 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Arnd Kohrs X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Arnd Kohrs , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Arnd Kohrs's message of "Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:20:03 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090011 (Oort Gnus v0.11) Emacs/21.2 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:49008 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:49008 On Thu, 09 Jan 2003, kohrs@castify.net wrote: > Can one spam filter when using nnimap for all email? > > I guess the answer is still "NO!". > > IMHO the reason for this is that when nnimap splits, it only loads > the headers and not the bodies of the articles, so that the spam > recognition which is based on the bodies may not be used. As far as spam.el is concerned, it only looks at whatever is in the current buffer when spam-split is invoked. Spam and ham processors use the full body of the message at summary exit, so in spam-split we have the only difference of opinion between the nnimap and other backends. It's worth noting that 1) many people don't use spam.el (the majority) 2) we don't want nnimap to download full articles when splitting, even with spam.el, because whitelist/blacklist/BBDB/blackhole splitters don't need the full article So I would suggest that this could be an option that spam-split could set when dealing with a nnimap backend and a splitter that needs the full message. For instance, spam-use-ifile would require full nnimap downloads, but spam-use-blackholes wouldn't. nnimap gurus, is that possible? Ted