From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/60566 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ted Zlatanov" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Changing charset for posting news Date: 15 Jul 2005 11:40:23 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <4n64vcjcwo.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <4nbr57naf1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <17108.20738.57239.905612@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121442106 17245 80.91.229.2 (15 Jul 2005 15:41:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M9095@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Jul 15 17:41:44 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DtSJC-00082e-I8 for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:41:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1DtSIi-000568-00; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:40:32 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1DtSIe-000563-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:40:28 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DtSId-0006tj-FV for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:40:27 -0500 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.9.41] helo=mail.bwh.harvard.edu) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DtSIc-0000Vn-00 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:40:26 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 8278 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2005 15:36:33 -0000 Envelope-Sender: tzz@lifelogs.com Envelope-Recipients: kehoea@parhasard.net, ding@gnus.org, Original-Received: from asimov.bwh.harvard.edu (HELO asimov) (internal?.8?user:?tzz@[134.174.8.118]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.bwh.harvard.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jul 2005 15:36:32 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: "Aidan Kehoe" , ding@gnus.org Original-To: "Aidan Kehoe" X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" X-Hashcash: 1:20:050715:ding@gnus.org::Csg6oaNMIPcgg0Og:000011g1 X-Hashcash: 1:20:050715:kehoea@parhasard.net::9CaGlrFMAfHaLOcK:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000085nA In-Reply-To: <17108.20738.57239.905612@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:23:46 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on sysblade0.bwh.harvard.edu X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.8 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60566 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:60566 On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, kehoea@parhasard.net wrote: > Ar an dara l=C3=A1 d=C3=A9ag de m=C3=AD I=C3=BAil, scr=C3=ADobh David Sum= bler:=20 >=20 > > Strange: I have tried this, having commented out in .gnus the lines > > suggested by Aidan, and it doesn't work! Despite having specified > > iso-8859-1, as you suggest, messages I send to the fr.test group still > > are sent as UTF-8 and quoted printable. >=20 > That=E2=80=99s a bug that some changes I made tickled, according to this = mail: >=20 > http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/200505/msg00121.html >=20 > But I=E2=80=99ve looked into this some more, and, well, the design of tha= t code is > hugely broken--loads of programming using and endorsing underdocumented > dynamic binding, crazy return values--and I haven=E2=80=99t seen an examp= le where > setting mm-coding-system-priorities appropriately is broken. I=E2=80=99ll= put > together a patch removing support for newsgroup-specific character sets if > this sounds reasonable.=20 I think removing features is the wrong way to go, personally. Setting the charset per newsgroup is useful. > If not, I=E2=80=99ll look into adding support for binding message-posting= -charset > around calls to mm-find-charset-region, which should re-add support for t= he > charset-per-newsgroup approach.=20 If you could do that, it would be great. I was going to look into it when I had free time, which will not be soon :) I think it's a valuable Gnus feature. Ted