From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/55913 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: [Request for Correction]To Gnus team -- Gnus Info about spam Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:42:12 -0500 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4n65fjm1ff.fsf@collins.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <877k00qmgp.fsf@news.eqiao.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1073803429 6168 80.91.224.253 (11 Jan 2004 06:43:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M4453@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Jan 11 07:43:45 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AfZK5-00021G-00 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:43:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AfZJy-0004Ak-00; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:43:38 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AfZJu-0004Af-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:43:34 -0600 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (clifford.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.9.41]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C6E3A0077 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:43:33 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from collins.bwh.harvard.edu (collins [134.174.9.80]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id i0B6gLW16566; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:42:21 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from collins.bwh.harvard.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by collins.bwh.harvard.edu (8.12.9+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id i0B6gEuB013818; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:42:14 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by collins.bwh.harvard.edu (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id i0B6gCCG013815; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:42:12 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Cheng Gao X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Cheng Gao , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <877k00qmgp.fsf@news.eqiao.com> (Cheng Gao's message of "Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:41:58 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (usg-unix-v) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55913 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:55913 On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, chenggao@cyberhut.org wrote: > "If you get lots of spam from China, for example, you try to filter > all mail from Chinese IPs." > > Obviously spam is a world-wide disaster, and we Chinese should not > be treated as only species of morons existed on this earth, though I > know oftentimes we are treated like this way. You need not respect > Chinese, but please dont let us feel insulted. > > Please correct this biased wording. Suggest you use some forged > country name (or rather USA :-p). I wrote that passage, and I think you're overreacting a bit. First of all, this is obviously an example, and it should be clear to any reader from "for example" in the sentence. No judgment on China is implied. Your assumption that by using China as an example, I am treating the Chinese as "morons" and with disrespect, is unwarranted and unfounded. Second, I don't want to invent a country. I happen to think that Elbonia, to take the example proposed, is just as insulting to Albanians. Also, I don't want to write a manual with invented country names, that's slightly insulting to the intelligent reader IMHO. Third, China is actually a pretty good example, being a big country, because the very next paragraph makes the point that blocking a whole country from contacting you is obviously not a good idea. Fourth, this is a real-life situation. People that get lots of spam from China do try to block all Asian IPs. You may not like it, but I'm not stereotyping Chinese people in any way. The existence of spammers in a country hardly qualifies its people as "morons" as you suggest. Again, the next paragraph makes the point that presuming to block mail from a whole country is very risky. So are you complaining that I'm suggesting that there are spammers in China? On those grounds, you're definitely overreacting, because it's true, and does not make all Chinese "morons." Or maybe you don't like that China specifically is used as an example? I can use Bulgaria, I guess, but it makes (3) and (4) above less valid. Ted