From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/52445 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: No Gnus todo item Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:56:57 -0400 Organization: =?koi8-r?q?=F4=C5=CF=C4=CF=D2=20=FA=CC=C1=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <4n7k91b72e.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <4nn0hxbbtw.fsf@lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052420237 32250 80.91.224.249 (8 May 2003 18:57:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M989@lists.math.uh.edu Thu May 08 20:57:15 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DqYT-0008Fb-00 for ; Thu, 08 May 2003 20:55:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19DqZi-00017F-00; Thu, 08 May 2003 13:57:02 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19DqZe-00017A-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 08 May 2003 13:56:58 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 62492 invoked by alias); 8 May 2003 18:56:57 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 62479 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 18:56:57 -0000 Original-Received: from clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (134.174.9.41) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 8 May 2003 18:56:57 -0000 Original-Received: from lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (lockgroove [134.174.9.133]) by clifford.bwh.harvard.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h48IuvI06122; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from tzz@localhost) by lockgroove.bwh.harvard.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.0) id h48Iuv623324; Thu, 8 May 2003 14:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Bill White X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Followup-To: Bill White , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Thu, 08 May 2003 19:29:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (usg-unix-v) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52445 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52445 On Thu, 08 May 2003, jas@extundo.com wrote: > Ted Zlatanov writes: > >> But that's confusing to new users, every MUA I have used will load >> new mail at startup. > > Before displaying the user interface? Most MUAs I recall using > (Mozilla, Evolution, Kmail, Outlook, Pine) display the GUI > immediately and then some of them (exceptions are Pine and Outlook, > as far as I can recall) will continue to update the message counts > in the background. What you suggest would be nice, but Gnus does display a read-only interface while fetching the mail. You would like it to be interactive, I think - which is a good idea. >> May I suggest either a variable like gnus-startup-without-scan or a >> function gnus-fast? The function seems the better solution. You >> startup gnus with emacs -f gnus-fast and then `g' is still bound to >> the gnus function so things work like they always have. >> >> In fact, it seems like the gnus function already has a dont-connect >> parameter. Is that not useful? > > It is, and it may be tested by using M-x gnus-no-server RET or M-x > gnus-unplugged RET depending on preference. I'm talking about the > default behavior. > > Perhaps the idea doesn't make sense unless the asynchronous update > of read counts is implemented. If so, the consider that implemented > too, when thinking about the feature. I think we'd need asynchronous mail fetching and article count updates to do what you want. It's a very good goal, but it might require a major rewrite of Gnus. Ted